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Motor oil - Garage Queens

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  1. AEHaas

    AEHaas Formula 3

    May 9, 2003
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    Ali E. Haas
    Why are there low mileage sports cars that have ruined engines? Why do they have electrical problems?

    Ferrari automobiles are perhaps the most problematic. But Why? It seems that most of those who purchase a Ferrari do not often drive them, and when they do they abuse them. Let me explain.

    Each morning the lawn is wet with dew. This is because as the temperature drops the dew point is reached and the moisture in the air condenses. This happens in your engine as well. There is air and moisture in the engine. As it sits over night the moisture condenses. It is a repeating cycle. It is actually worse than the outside air. After driving the engine is very hot so as it cools it sucks in a lot of moist outside air.

    Remember the products of combustion are water and CO2. The water condenses in the engine during start up and even steam blows by the piston rings for another source of water.

    There are additives that help the oil absorb water but if the engine is not started then the water that condensed in all parts of the motor keep it wet. If the car lives near water or worse, salty water, then the situation is compounded. Another thing that makes things worse is mildew and fungal growth, yes it can even grow in oil!

    Water is bad but there is another source of corrosion, acids. These result from byproducts of combustion that slip past the piston rings and from fuel dilution of the oil. Again, the oil has additives to neutralize these acids but work only when the oil is splashed around the inside of the engine.

    Corrosive products and water in the atmosphere also take their toll on electrical components. Electrical switches are problematic. These are helped by using the switches. When you get in the car and role down the windows and click all the switches they scrape some of the thin corrosion off the contacts. Again, use of the car helps whereas sitting around is detrimental.

    Fan and timing belts age at accelerated rates when static and in cold climates. Cold is also bad for plastic, leather and all rubber like parts. Winters are tough on cars. Up north it is cold and the cars get little use. And down south it is moist all the time. Moisture is an independent factor increasing engine wear. Engine tests are usually performed in controlled humidity environments.

    People think that taking the car out for a 10 or 15 minute spin will keep it in good shape. Well that is better than nothing because at least everything is splashed down with oil in the engine and some switches are activated that helps remove corrosion. But to burn off excess fuel and water from the oil it must be brought up to full operating temperature. This takes 20 or 30 minutes. Your coolant heats up in as little as 2 – 3 minutes but oil takes up to half an hour to get up to full operating temperature. You should drive the car for another half hour or more after the oil is up to temperature.

    People do not realize that “severe” driving conditions that require more frequent oil changes include stop and go city driving of only 20 minute drives or less. This is a severe condition because the oil never gets hot and never burns off the extra fuel or water. For this reason the oil must be changed more often.

    Now for my favorite topic, cavitation. This is what accounts for the greatest wear in minimally used engines (in my thinking). Cavitation occurs in fluids when they cannot be moved fast enough. In the bearing the oil is thick at start up (75 F) and yet the parts are moving fast. Vacuum bubbles result. When they collapse there is a huge force that pulls chunks of bearing material from the lining. The chunks may include the full thickness of the bearing. Sometimes pits are seen on bearings and blamed on corrosion or improper lubrication but the culprit is more likely to be cavitation.

    People start up their cars and rev up the engines. They impress their friends with the Vroom, Vroom, Vroom over and over again. Then they take the car out for a spin and rev up the RPM. They do this immediately, while the oil is well below operating temperature and relatively thick. I know of engines ruined in this very manor.

    The moral of the story is drive your cars often and do not rev them up until the OIL is fully warmed up. Using an oil that is not as thick during the start up period should minimize the effects of cavitaion. This is why I advocate the 0W-XX oils, they are less thick at start up.

    aehaas
     
  2. UConn Husky

    UConn Husky F1 Rookie

    Nov 11, 2006
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    Ali - first thanks for all this great oil info, this is the best short course on oil I've ever seen.

    One question - in this segment, you mention that it takes longer for the oil to warm up than the coolant. I thought it was the opposite, the oil will warm up faster, then heat is conducted to the coolant. Living in the north I always wonder how long I should wait before driving in the winter. When I'm running late I always rationalize in my head...'well, I'll get in gear and just keep the revs down, that'll be ok' I've never had an oil temp sensor in a car...
     
  3. Gary48

    Gary48 Guest

    Dec 30, 2003
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    AEHaas,
    Exceptionally good wisdom in this last post, it exhibits the physics behind the mechanics and accurately depicts actual events. Pretty basic really but some will ignor this good advise and pay the price.

    " Even a fool may be wise after the event." Homer
     
  4. GCalo

    GCalo F1 Veteran

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    Tell me you didn't "doctor" up the dissertation, please!!!
     
  5. procure95

    procure95 Formula Junior

    Dec 17, 2006
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    I live up north and the weather doesn’t make it practicable to drive the car as often as you southern folks. The cars are in a heated garage and get very little moisture other than what’s in the atmosphere already. You stated in a past thread that it is not good to start your car and leave it idle because the oil heats up quicker when you drive the car. Would you recommend starting the cars once a week so the lubricants can spread around? What would you recommend to folks that can’t drive the cars due to icy road, snow, salt and other conditions that make it impracticable for an extended period of time? Thanks Giovanni
     
  6. Darolls

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    Don't start you car unless you plan to drive it until all fluids reach normal operating temp.

    If your car is out of commission for the winter months, this is not long term storage.

    Best thing to do is change the oil, fill the petrol tank, put a battery maintainer on, and don't start the car until you're ready to drive it in the Spring.
     
  7. AEHaas

    AEHaas Formula 3

    May 9, 2003
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    From another thread:

    “What is a good oil temperature, before Wide Open Throttle? I have heard BMW recommends something around 130F before anything over 3000 RPM.”

    This is my thinking for full RPM at WOT:

    20 wt. oil - 160 F
    30 wt. oil - 180 F
    40 wt. oil - 200 F
    50 wt. oil - 220 F

    Note that you cannot use your water temperature gauge to tell where your oil temperature may be. Water heats up in 2 - 3 minutes whereas oil takes as long a 30 minutes to get to 180 F.

    aehaas

    "Best thing to do is change the oil, fill the petrol tank, put a battery maintainer on, and don't start the car until you're ready to drive it in the Spring."
    'Not a bad idea but during winter I would start the engine every 3 weeks. Then run it with the head lights and A/C on to increase the load on the engine. Run for 15 minutes at a fast idle then shut it down.

    I like to trickle change all my batteries every month, all year. This minimizes sulfating, increases life and decreases engine load after starting the car up by having the battery topped up every so often.

    aehaas
     
  8. cf355

    cf355 F1 Rookie

    Feb 28, 2005
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    For many years I have been starting my cars once a month and fast idling them till operating termperature has been reached and the engine fans come on (this is usually greater than 190 F). This will take around 20 minutes or so.
    I do this to 'excercise' the rubber timing belt to prevent the the load that can ruin/degrade an otherwise fine timing belt.
    As long as you run up the engine up to full operating temperature (yes, with the ac on)........ I think this is far superior to letting a car sit all winter.
    I also test the voltage of the battery monthly and pre charge if it is necessary.

    If the roads are clean and free of salt I will also take the car for an 1 hour drive but some winters this is simply not possible.

    I've had over 35 vehicles and have never had any engine failures.
     
  9. Air_Cooled_Nut

    Air_Cooled_Nut Formula Junior

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    Just remember to allow for air flow into the garage if running the engine but not driving it...don't want to lose any F-Chatters ;)
     
  10. JohnnyS

    JohnnyS F1 World Champ
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    Why, I think Ferrari exhaust is the best. Not only sounds good, but the flavor is out of this world!
     

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