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  1. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    He guys, it's your friend neighborhood Stooge.

    I have been TRYING to find the source of a misfire/check engine problem I have been having for some time now. Well in an attempt to find the problem I decided to swap the coils from side to side, to see if the problem jumps banks. Which, as my recent luck would have it, it didn't.

    Anyway this is more of a noob post, but I figure it may come in handy for someone down the line.

    So.........

    Here is how you remove the coils from a 348.
     
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  2. ernie

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    #2 ernie, Jan 12, 2011
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    First things first. Disconnect the negative wire from the battery. Since you are dealing with electrical parts you don't want to risk getting shocked. I have a marine quick release on my battery which makes it a snap to disconnect and reconnect.
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    #4 ernie, Jan 12, 2011
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    Now disconnect the clip going to the loom from the coil. Actually you should should do this first. But oh well, I did it second. Anyway disconnect it. All you have to do is push in the wire with your finger, hold it down, and then pull it off. Oh yeah and pull from the clip, N O T the wires.
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    #5 ernie, Jan 12, 2011
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    Next unscrew and remove the 4 screws holding the coil to the heat sink. I like to loosen all the screws first, then remove the screws on the bottom followed by the top. It just makes it a little bit easier that way.
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    #7 ernie, Jan 12, 2011
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    I'm also posting pics of the plug wire order. Because the stickers on our coils are getting a bit old and brittle, and some of them have already come off, or are in bad shape.

    So here is the order for the right side (top pic) and left side (bottom pic) coils. I also positioned the coils how they would be facing while installed in the car.
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  8. fatbillybob

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    did you try swaping the ignitors too? You need to come to my hoise so we can scope the motor and find where you have the miss. I bet I know where it is and only SRIinovations can solve it.
     
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    #9 ernie, Jan 13, 2011
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    That's next, I plan on swapping the ignitors tomorrow.

    You game to meet up?
     
  10. PAP 348

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    Nice work Ernie. Hope you sort it soon man. :):)
     
  11. ernie

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    Me too Pap.

    It's really starting to piss me off. When I do finally find it, it will be something stupid and small. You know "that last place you look" deal.
     
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    Its about the only way these little niggly problems go. :p:p
     
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    Sure. I'm in the garage cutting and welding Friday, replacing a windshield, fitting the racecar roof etc.
     
  14. ernie

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    Never did give you guys the update on the ignition control module (aka: ignitor) swap. The car runs WORSE now. The misfires like a son of a beeotch.

    So it's time to get some new ignition control modules.

    The ignition control module on our 348s, Ferrari calls it the "power module" part number 137511, and as of this posting Ferrari wants $854 each, and we have TWO of these = $1708. What is even worse is that if you live in a tax happy state like California you can tack on 9.75% sales tax in Los Angeles gives you $1704 + $166 tax = $1870 for the pair.

    SCREW THAT BS!!!!

    Good thing for us comes on a bunch of different cars AND a motorcycle. :D

    The Bosch part number is 0 227 100 200. Here are the other part numbers:

    BMW 12-14-1-461-441:
    1989 K1 motorcycle
    1989 K 100 RS motorcycle
    1989 K 1100 LT motorcycle
    1989 K 1100 RS

    Opel 1208074, 90444650, 90449574

    Peugeot-Citroen 594554, 96073612

    Porsche 993-602-706-00 :
    PORSCHE 911 CARRERA 2 (1995 - 1998)
    PORSCHE 911 CARRERA 4 (1995 - 1998)
    PORSCHE 911 CARRERA 4S (1996 - 1998)
    PORSCHE 911 TARGA (1996 - 1998)

    The cheapest I found so far for the Bosch unit was $129 each from RockAuto, a savings of OVER $1400++!!!
     
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    #15 ernie, Jan 27, 2011
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    Oh......

    Here is how you remove the ignition control module.

    Remove the connector from the ICM, by pressing in the wire clip, and then pulling it off by the clip not the wires. As you can see in the picture I also remove the clip for the coil. You'll need that out of the way to take the icm off.
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  18. fatbillybob

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    But the miss is still there isn't it?
     
  19. ernie

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    Not only is it still there it's WAY worse!
     
  20. fatbillybob

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    No more guessing! You need to scope it to find out where your problem is. Sometimes the SD2 can also narrow down the problem since it can read things the normal blinking CEL does not show.
     
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    So are you telling me you have an SD2 chubba?
     
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    Good news, just finished buy a pair of alternate ICMs. They are made by Transpo, and the part number is BM325. I'll have them in a week or so.

    The cost? How does $53.99 each sound.

    That is 1/3 LESS than just the sales tax on what Ferrari wants to charge. So I just saved myself getting ripped off for $1760 on the pair, and even if you don't count the sales tax it's still a savings of getting burned for $1600!

    I love the internet. :D
     
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    I've been trying to tell him that for months, I hope you have better luck than me!

    Ernie, nice write up and great find on the ICMs!
     
  24. fatbillybob

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    No digitech scopemeter
     
  25. ernie

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    Can you bring it up?
     

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