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Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by Napolis, Oct 14, 2009.

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  1. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Yes. It's a light.
     
  2. tongascrew

    tongascrew F1 Rookie

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    North shore, western Long Island??? just one man's opinion tongascrew
     
  3. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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  4. f308jack

    f308jack F1 Rookie

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    I'll bite:

    What are all the patches on the frame-rails? Is it from heating up the frame to take the effects of 60years of gravity and hard work out?
     
  5. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Yes. Chassis is now correct and Drive train is true and correctly positioned so that body can be corrected to how she originally was in 1947.
     
  6. PSk

    PSk F1 World Champ

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    Clever people at work ...

    Pete
     
  7. tongascrew

    tongascrew F1 Rookie

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    Very interesting pix of this frame. The center tubes supporting the engine mounts look perfectly round. The outside frame rails are oval and almost look concave along the sides. Or is this just a reflection in the photo? It may be to late but I would be great to remove the engine and as many of the bolted on parts as possible and weigh the frame.It certainly looks as if it should be one of the "super lite" frames as requested by Ferrari from GILCO. More pix of the full frame front to back please. just one man's opinion tongascrew
     
  8. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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  9. thecheddar

    thecheddar Formula 3

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    Awesome. I love seeing this in bits and coming together again. It's not often we get to see the technical origins of the marque in their naked glory. Cheers.
     
  10. Boudewijn

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    #110 Boudewijn, May 20, 2010
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  11. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    :)
     
  12. alebart3

    alebart3 Formula Junior

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    Again we was delighted with a "new born";beutyfull workers, but I fell an expecially "Love"in those "works"...they seems pieces of steel, iron but you,
    Mr.Napolis, are able to make their Soul come back to us!
    Even if not all of as will be able to hear his first breath, we are with your efforts.
    Thanks.
    Alessandro
     
  13. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #113 Napolis, May 24, 2010
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    Here's a copyrighted Photo that we hadn't seen before that shows the underside of 002's nose at the Turin GP which is very interesting.
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  14. CMY

    CMY F1 World Champ

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    Any updates Jim? I love this chick..
     
  15. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    I'm heading over in a few weeks. I should have more photos then. She's moving along.
     
  16. Iluvatar

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    From "125 and 159" thread:
    A question for Napolis:
    The 002(C) engine has the thinwall bearings? I don't know if that engine is original, but perhaps you know the original bearings used in this car.

    I ask this because in "Tipo 166" book, in the Lampredi interview, he said that they used the thinwall bearings only after he was returned in Ferrari, so at least on november '47 (so in the period of 166 developement), but he said that those bearings were used at first on the 125. I don't understand what is the correct version.
     
  17. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    The engine is original but it's been rebuilt with modern bearings.
     
  18. Iluvatar

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    So you don't know which were the original bearings?
     
  19. tongascrew

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    I don't follow the single seater Formular cars but Lampredi may have been refering to the 125 blown GP engines that were under development. The objective was to be compeditive, power wise, with the Alfa 158/159 engines, which never was never realised. Lampredi then convinced Ferrari that an engine designed to the optional 4.5 normally aspirated formular was the way to go. Lampredi predicted that the power from this engine would be competitive and the car could run considerably farther between pit stops. All proved to be true.It would be interesting to know what bearings Alfa was using to get power close to 400 HP at a reliable near 7000RPM. Ramponi was an important part of the prewar 158 Alfa project at the Scuderia and being in England during the war was, I am sure, quick to appreciate the thinwall technology. You have to wonder without thinwall technology whether the Ferrari V12s would have been successful as soon as they were. just one man's opinion tongascrew
     
  20. solofast

    solofast Formula 3

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    The Alfa's weren't V12's, they weren't pushing bearing width constraints that the V12 engine has. So it wasn't a problem for them, they had plenty of axial width and that reduced the bearing pressure loading to what they could live with.
     
  21. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    I have them packed away somewhere but don't have time to look now.
     
  22. Michael Muller

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    These are tipo 166 bearings anyway, thus give no info about the original 159 ones.
     
  23. Iluvatar

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    This can be the most likely explanation to Lampredi's strange affirmation.
    So thinwall bearings should been used first on 125GP and 166Inter (SC).
    MPC
     
  24. PSk

    PSk F1 World Champ

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    I thought the first Ferrari to use thinwall bearings was the Thinwall Special owned by Vanderwell.

    As there were Ferraris built before (ie. 125s) that surely means they did not use thinwall bearings?

    Pete
     
  25. Cris

    Cris Karting

    Jul 27, 2004
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    I was going to type the same thing but assumed the collected knowledge of this place was weighing against me. I always thought that was the whole point of the Thinwall Special...to show the superiority of the thinwall bearings over the stock ones?

    Cris

     

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