Yes, I realize this, but it is not Scuderia Sant'Ambroeus as they did not start until the late 50s. It is also not Scuderia Ambrosiana, which was the predecessor of Sant'Ambroeus. I'm just wondering exactly WHAT badge/advertising logo it was. It very difficult to see, and I don't know of any round team badge like that in that time period...
Most probably the badge from the Temporada race series in Argentina, when it was raced in Buenos Aires.
Would the MM nose just clip on? I think it might judging by the pics I took of 002C in the shop last year.
Yes. That's what I'm going to do. Keep the one I have and make another one with the MM grill. It unbolts very easily. Best
Jim, found an Argentinian pic of #002C at Mar del Plata 1948 with Besana. Image Unavailable, Please Login
This car was in the nineties in the Netherlands for completion / restoration / mechanical. Hietbrink en Roelofs worked on this car (www.hietbrink.com)
Yeah, I think I read (in Forza?) that 002C underwent a complete restoration, so Jim, why are you taking the car apart now? Making it more authentic or just making sure it survives the roads of Sicily?
IMO any Vintage car that you're planning to drive at speed needs to be taken apart and inspected periodically. There are also a few details that we're correcting. All in all this one's in pretty good shape and we haven't come across anything too bad. Also by taking something apart you learn how it works and this is something I enjoy knowing.
Here's a photo showing 002 C in the previous owner's collection in 2003: Image Unavailable, Please Login
Thanks. Never have seen that picture, or if I had, I didn't remember it. I do not think the badge at the MM is the YPF badge, however. Note that there is a horizontal stripe running through the badge on the MM photo.
Sal found an original Ferrari 166 engine stand in the mud which we're restoring so he can take the engine apart. We've also borrowed a 166 cam chain indexing tool which we're copying before we remove the timing chains. So far so good. We've deceided to make a MM nose as well. We've finally gotten 0846's suspention square which was a task as the chassis is twisted and have machined her new wheels so they run true and don't rub the disks. We should have her gauges back from Modena next week properly calibrated. She and J6 will be ready for The Canadian International Auto Show in Feb.
I don't remember off the top of my head but Sal did sort it out. I think he went out to the mfg. and they made up some to the proper specs. I'll ask him and post some pictures. He was also able to source the proper stop light switch so that is under control. We also came up with a circuit to enable us to have a dash light glow if we're losing battery charge. (less than 12V) Remember we went to a bigger alternator to drive the cooling fans and it produces too many amps to run all of them through the original gauge. (50 amps) so it now only reads discharge when the ign. and cooling fans are on and can't read charge. If alternator stops charging and battery starts to dip light will now glow. Sal has gotten the FI to the pont where it will start without priming. It still takes a while until it gets warm enough to lean out mechanically enough to drive. You also have to do a bit of heel and toe blipping at traffic lights as when it's warm it doesn't like to idle at a setting that will allow you to hot start it if you stall. This spring we'll sort it all out. Best
Cool. Glad Sal got most of it figured out. I think Sal was a better find than 0846. Tell him I said hi.
Jim, The June 1996 issue of Classic and Sportscar has a nice article on 002C along with some interesting history. Not sure how accurate it is but it is interesting! It's part of a 60 page Ferrari special. I can look for a scanner and scan it for you if you don't have it. Incredible pix, by the way! I'd love to see it in person (along with 0846) sometime. -steve
In the MM photo, it does appear that the badge has been taped over to hide the logo, but it's clearly not the same "YPF" badge shown in the Mar del Plata photo, as the Mar del Plata badge is much larger. By the way, there are more photos of 002C at the Mille Miglia in 1949 here, including one that's misidentified as "0012/I"
There are 2 different cars pictured in that row of 3 pictures. Note that the picture of the car in the center and left photo have a different grille. Race #629 is 0012 I and race #630 is 002 C in the 1949 Mille Miglia. I agree that the badge is not YPF, but what is it? I can't think of a round logo or badge about that size in that period of time, other than Scuderia Ambrosiana, and that's not the Ambrosiana badge..
The third photo (see below) is the one that I was referring to as being misidentified. It is clearly 002/C and not 0012/I. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Yes, and also if you scroll down further on that page, there are 3 more pictures of 002 C. As to the Motto body that was on 002 C at one time, I would like to see it get used on something (if the body indeed still exists)
Sal often comes up with some amazing stuff. He recentely came up with a period correct Jeager Coutre multi function rally clock/stopwatch which we're restoring and will fit as well.
