0233 EU - 212 Inter Cabriolet Ghia - COMING SOON

Paris Show in october 1952 :

Odd s/n cars shown :

Ghia Peron Coupe 212 Inter

Pinin Farina Cabriolet 212 Inter 0235EU
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I let you guess where s/n 0191/EL and 0233/EU could go...

 

Why can't a RHD 212 be numbered above 0231?

 

Aardy, I saw 0195EL about a year ago. I believe the car is actually a 195. The current owner also did some research and came to the conclusion that it was a 195. It has been listed as a 212 for many years.

 

Hi Warren,

Yes I know but as I have never found a proof that this car was a 195 Inter, and as all cars were 212 Inter since second half of 1951, I have still let it in my list as a 212 Inter...
... but I could be completely wrong of course...

Back to the thread, does someone could explain :

- why s/n 0233/EU would be shown at the 1952 Geneva Show in march with three brand new cars all with s/n in the 019xx range and all with "EL" (not "EU") suffix ??

- and why s/n 0191/EL would be shown in october only at the Paris Show along with a brand new PF cabrio s/n 0235/EU ("EU" suffix) ??

 

1- It wasn't 0233/EU but 0197/EL as Ardy said.

2- It wasn't 0191/EL but 0233/EL

 

2. This is the way I thought it would have been. 0233EL(0191EL).

 

Sorry but what is the proof that 0233 was "EL" and not "EU" ?? Did I miss something ? Thanks.

 

Post 42 shows the small article from Classic&Sports Car in the year 1987 where I believe the guys who wrote this are beyond doubt capable of reproducing the facts as noted on this car when in Britain at that time. Why would they call the chassis stamping 0233EL if it would not have been as such. Why would they not have said 0191EL or 0233EU when it was.

 

It would have been logical to understand all this thread like this :

Original engine stamped 0233/EU numero interno 148 from the Ghia Peron coupe going into the Ghia convertible 0191/EL in need of a replacement engine, then frame restamped 0233/EU to match the engine.

Why the Ghia Peron coupe would have been stamped "EL" and its engine "EU" ??

 

I don't say it's logical, but I follow things which look like facts until someone shows evidence of the contrary. Marcel pointed out there is no sign what so ever which shows a renumbering effort on frame 0233EU. This is fact also untill proven to the contrary (a CT scan/endoscopic exam would be useful in such cases). The reading of 0233EL on the frame of 0191EL I take for fact also. But don't worry, I can follow your logic as well.

 

Could you tell me why everybody agrees that 0012 (the Roberto Vallone spider corsa with 0010/M engine) is a restamp of the ex-008 I frame (166 Inter spider corsa) and why nobody could find any evidence of the restamp on the frame ??

 

What would you expect to see on a CT scan? Lifting numbers - of even finding remains of them - by applying any NDT method is pure fiction in 99,9% of the cases. Getting some dirty old car parts X-rayed or splashing some liquid penetrant on them must be exiting and fun if you have no idea how it works, but so far I haven't heard of a single case with results. Any results that is.

Best wishes, Kare

 

I find the 0012 stamping on 0012 an example of indeed a replacement of another stamping.
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Can't deny your observations.

 

Where do you see it's a restamp ??

 

Completely different stamping compared to the others that I have in this series.

 

Interesting to see such a collection of variations on engine numbers of the 212's. Thanks.

 

Thanks for showing these engine number stampings. What it verifies too is that all numbers above 0231 came with EU suffix (for Europa) bar one: 0231 – with no visible suffix by the way - and LHD cars.
All this brings another confirmation that 0233/EU, clearly suffixed EU, came with a LHD car which could not be the RHD Ghia cabrio of this thread. Sorry to insist.

 

This is a great thread, but let's see the whole car! Fantastic fun! Best, David

Really cool. Keep the edits coming!

 

Very fresh photos indeed! Taken this morning.

 

Agreed. see post #46. just one man's opinion tongascrew