0302 found in Venezuela

Confused! which chassis is this? thanks tongascrew

 

Check post #76 and go into the "Branko forum". I believe there are pictures of the Alfredo Zanellato cutaway of 0302. Assuming that the chasssis of 0304 and 0306 are similar this will give you a good odea of the chassis designe. I am also wondering what chassis was used to build the replica of 0302 also shown in the Branko forum.The repro body has noticable differences from the original:no port holes,hood blister,uncovered headlights and no ridge down the center of the hood. My info on the original seems to end with the 1960s fire. Who has more info on the reproduction?? just one man's opinion tongascrew

 

Cheddar, I once knew someone who had both S/N plates AND stamps which were dead ringers. I don't think it's that difficult to get duplicates (or reasonable copies) of the factory items. That having been said, some of the re-stamps are pretty awful, aren't they?

 

What do you mean by 039 S?? No such s/n. Please clarify. thanks tongascrew

 

Hi, I have the Barchetta file. That doesn't tell me what I am looking for. tongascrew

 

It's a start. As 0302 seems to have largely dissapeared[yes or no] this "replica" is what the issue is.I have pointed out the differences in the body from the original. The mystery is what's underneith, I suppose you could ask the same of a Marilyn Monroe impersonater. Frankly I am more interested in this 0302 impersonater.Maybe M.M. can help just one man's opinion tongascrew

 

Indeed they are awful. Some, perhaps including the one re-welded on this chassis, don't even appear to be intended to pass as original. After all, from the era it was last raced, "original" or "correct" weren't of the importance they are now.

It's unfortunate (for us) that the serial stamps were generic but it makes sense. Post-war Northern Italy didn't need anything fancy so some simple British stamps probably did the job. Still, some fakes manage to be amazingly poor.

 

Hi, I have pictures of a reproduction[copy] of the original Vignale 0302TF berlinetta[coupe], Refer to my previous post describing the car's body. As the original 0302 chassis appears to be lost I am trying to find out what chassis the reproduction car is built on. It you find out anything please post ir. thanks tongascrew

 

Hi because of copyright laws I don't post. If you send me your address I can send you copies. tongascrew

 

I need your mailing[postal] address. tongascrew

 

Branko, I am far from an expert, but the pics you have shown here are certainly food for thought, and take some time to analyze. In my humblest opinion, the fact that the car in Venezuela is also stamped 0304 TF rings a bell about it really being the long lost 0302 chassis, if we are to believe the particulars in Barchetta about 0304 and 0306 both bearing additional 0304 markings. It would seem that all 625TFs were marked 0304?

Also, it seems to me that the 0302T.F. stamping is too crude to be a real fake attempt.

 

I for one have been waiting to see these stampings in full. I wonder if that first stamping was abandoned for the steel being so hard that no proper stamping could be made and then another number was stamped little further back. Would be even more interesting to know what the other surviving frame has under that exhaust - same 0306TF as visible in Bart's photo or somthing else.

Best wishes, Kare

 

Have any other verified chassis been "double stamped" by mistake as this one appears to be? (be it a stamp done twice or one with another nearby like this) I'm just curious what those "real" mistakes might have looked like.

 

The trouble with 'remarking" and I mean by the Factory as well as others, is seen here in the last photo.....some peening of the pipe is visible, then if perchance someone throws a welding bead in there, to patch....you have a harder material than the original mild steel of the piping......

Somebody has spent a lot of effort on this......

I also tend to agree an attempt at misrepresentation would be far more elegant.

Probably looking at real artifacts here, trying to tell us 'the history'....

 

It looks like the number was done "in period".....at the time all the cars were together, racing....

In field conditions, in other words.

It has the casual look of a mechanic, in my opinion.

It appears "honest" as once complete the first failed attempt was left in place. Someone with "all the time in the world", that cared about appearances, would have welded over the other spot ground it smooth and made it "pretty".....two different mindsets.

"If at first you do not succeed.....destroy all the traces you ever tried..." LOL!

 

A couple of observations. The last number on the left side stamping has been obscured/rubbed out. Could this have been a 2 ??. Also compare the body work on #204 car in post 24 of "302 Found in Venezuela" thread with the two recent pictures of the body with the boy in one and the man in the black shirt in the other, Look at the rear end and the roll bar. These appear to all be the same car.Finally the rear part of the frame is similar but not exactly the same as the frame shown in the cut-a-way of the original 0302. The cut-a-way is not clear in showing the shockabsorbers. One would assume that the traditional Houdaill units would have been used. The recent pictures show the remains of tube shocks, one if the many mods. just one man's opinion