0854 Back to Original Coupe

Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by Napolis, Jun 27, 2006.

  1. I have started the new week 1 FerrariChat Update poll, please vote... http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/ferrarichat-com-update-week-1-poll.560487/
  1. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
    Honorary Owner

    Oct 23, 2002
    32,122
    Full Name:
    Jim Glickenhaus
    #1 Napolis, Jun 27, 2006
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    Moving along...
    DSC02443.JPG
    DSC02444.JPG
    DSC02445.JPG
    DSC02446.JPG
    DSC02447.JPG
    DSC02448.JPG
    DSC02449.JPG
    DSC02450.JPG
    DSC02451.JPG
    DSC02452.JPG
    DSC02453.JPG
    DSC02454.JPG
    DSC02455.JPG
    DSC02456.JPG
    DSC02457.JPG
    DSC02458.JPG
    DSC02459.JPG
    DSC02460.JPG
    DSC02461.JPG
    DSC02462.JPG
    DSC02464.JPG
    DSC02465.JPG
    DSC02466.JPG
    DSC02467.JPG
    DSC02463.JPG
     
  2. ProCoach

    ProCoach F1 Veteran
    Rossa Subscribed Owner

    Sep 15, 2004
    5,437
    VIR Raceway
    Full Name:
    Peter
    Wow! The original fuel cell, too. "May 67" build date and the eyelet for the panel cover fastening molded into the bladder. Are those door latch mechanisms derived from Fiat? Great pics!
     
  3. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
    Honorary Owner

    Oct 23, 2002
    32,122
    Full Name:
    Jim Glickenhaus
    Likely.

    Best
     
  4. Bertocchi

    Bertocchi Formula 3
    Consultant

    Jan 28, 2004
    1,823
    New Orleans, LA
    Full Name:
    David Castelhano
    Great job so far! I love to see all of the hand made pieces which are painstakingly done by Italian artisans. Fantastic, keep up the good work.
    David
     
  5. ArtS

    ArtS F1 Veteran
    Rossa Subscribed

    Nov 11, 2003
    5,718
    Central NJ
    Jim,

    Neat pictures! Did you end up stripping the paint off of the original coupe tail or did you make a new one?

    Regards,

    Art S.
     
  6. Turner

    Turner Karting

    Sep 6, 2004
    58
    EC
    Full Name:
    Turner
    What are you plans for the fuel tank when the car goes back together? Are you planning on building a modern system that appears original such as you have done with 002C? That was interesting to follow. I look forward to seeing more.
     
  7. Tired of seeing this ad? Upgrade now
  8. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
    Honorary Owner

    Oct 23, 2002
    32,122
    Full Name:
    Jim Glickenhaus
    Hi

    That is her original coupe tail. After much soul searching we decided that it would not be possible to save the tail from galvanic corrosion unless we removed the original paint which was in horrible shape as well. We will save a small patch for old times sake but preserving her original body seemed the right thing to do and the corrosion where the aluminum was wrapped around the steel edges was starting to spread and had corrupted the paint. We've gotten pretty good at painting as they did in the day and will paint her as they would have done.

    As for the original bladder I suspect to make her safe and drivable we'll do something about that as well but we'll have her tested before we decide.

    The bladder oddly seems to be in very good shape and the original bladder in J6 albeit much more high tech is still fine.

    Best
     
  9. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Oct 3, 2002
    43,692
    @ the wheel
    Full Name:
    Andreas
    Another awesome project for us to follow along.

    Glad you started a new thread. This car deserves its own story.
     
  10. snj5

    snj5 F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Feb 22, 2003
    10,211
    San Antonio
    Full Name:
    Russ Turner
    amazing project and brilliant craftsmanship - watching with interest - many thanks
     
  11. 356racing

    356racing Formula Junior
    Silver Subscribed

    Sep 24, 2004
    279
    Paradise Valley, AZ
    Never a dull moment at your place! Looks great!
     
  12. J.P.Sarti

    J.P.Sarti Guest

    May 23, 2005
    2,406
    Its amazing how the classic Ferraris were made from scratch by hand with no special tooling, just simple jigs, hand tools and alot of skill.
     
  13. DGS

    DGS Two Time F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    May 27, 2003
    25,336
    MidTN
    Full Name:
    DGS
    You know you've got a "keeper" when she still looks good without her makeup. ;)
     
  14. Tired of seeing this ad? Upgrade now
  15. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
    Honorary Owner

    Oct 23, 2002
    32,122
    Full Name:
    Jim Glickenhaus
    tRu dAt.
     
  16. Harmonyautosport

    Harmonyautosport Formula Junior

    Apr 28, 2006
    681
    New York
    amazing jim cant wait to see her finished.
     
  17. vur

    vur Karting

    May 9, 2006
    195
    Full Name:
    Vur
    another great thread to be on.

    some basic questions -

    what is the model of this car? and from what year? what is the meaning when a Ferrari has a 'P' designation?

    sorry if its been asked already.
     
  18. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
    Honorary Owner

    Oct 23, 2002
    32,122
    Full Name:
    Jim Glickenhaus
    1967 412 P

    P = prototype

    0854 was a customer (Maranello Concessionaires) car which finished 3 oa @ SPA and raced at Le Mans and other venues.

    http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/0854.412P.htm
     
  19. matteo

    matteo F1 World Champ

    Aug 1, 2002
    13,748
    On a plane somewhere
    Full Name:
    Heir Butt
    1/2 the price of a new daytona in 1970.....

     
  20. italcarguy

    italcarguy Formula Junior

    Nov 3, 2003
    505
    Porter Ranch, CA
    Full Name:
    Anthony Rimicci
    I can't wait to see pictures of it parked side by side with 00846 once it's done! Thanks for sharing the pictures.
     
  21. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
    Honorary Owner

    Oct 23, 2002
    32,122
    Full Name:
    Jim Glickenhaus
    #19 Napolis, Jun 27, 2006
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    It will look sort of the opposite of this...
    57716-IMG_0199%282%29.jpg
     
  22. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
    Honorary Owner

    Oct 23, 2002
    32,122
    Full Name:
    Jim Glickenhaus
    #20 Napolis, Jun 27, 2006
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    A few more that should live in this thread...
    pf july 028 (2).jpg
    pf july 057 (2).jpg
     
  23. FarmerDave

    FarmerDave F1 World Champ
    Consultant

    Jul 26, 2004
    14,878
    Full Name:
    IgnoranteWest
    Jim, forgive me if this has been covered, but will 0854 retain the blue accent? Did it have the blue when it was originally in coupe configuration? (looking at the layers of paint it seems not)
     
  24. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
    Honorary Owner

    Oct 23, 2002
    32,122
    Full Name:
    Jim Glickenhaus
    #22 Napolis, Jun 27, 2006
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    Yes the blue is original. It's under everything else including Piper green, a red and blue over painting of the original red and blue and 30 lbs of bondo that was added over the years...

    This is how she look again.
    Brands_Hatch-1967.jpg
     
  25. FarmerDave

    FarmerDave F1 World Champ
    Consultant

    Jul 26, 2004
    14,878
    Full Name:
    IgnoranteWest
    #23 FarmerDave, Jun 27, 2006
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    What race/track is that picture from? The blue signifies Maranello Concessionaires, right?

    What about these two decals? I am going to guess the P is for Prototype class?
    0854.JPG
     
  26. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
    Honorary Owner

    Oct 23, 2002
    32,122
    Full Name:
    Jim Glickenhaus
    #24 Napolis, Jun 27, 2006
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    Yes the Blue was the Maranello Concessionaires color. The P is for prototype.

    The "Speedbird" was for BOAC who sponsored the race at Brands Hatch.

    Note that in the middle of the race they broke out the side windows because of cockpit fumes.

    The shot with #23 is 0854 at Le Mans. (Different # but same blue accents with which the car always ran until Piper painted her Green)
    BOAC.jpg
    Resize of Ferrari 412 P #0854  07-08 Le Mans 1967.JPG
     
  27. vur

    vur Karting

    May 9, 2006
    195
    Full Name:
    Vur
    legends live...

    so whats the scope of work for 854?

    looks like the panels are being refreshed/replaced due to oxidation. is the rest of the car undergoing work as well?

    at some time you know you have to do a full review of driving impressions of 002 vs. 0854 vs. 2006 P4/5 and commit that to some sort of public record. it would be welcome.

    all out.
     
  28. FarmerDave

    FarmerDave F1 World Champ
    Consultant

    Jul 26, 2004
    14,878
    Full Name:
    IgnoranteWest
    Fantastic, thanks for the answers.

    What a great pic with the Chaparral trailing behind her.
     
  29. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
    Honorary Owner

    Oct 23, 2002
    32,122
    Full Name:
    Jim Glickenhaus
    Basically a through going through to make sure she's safe to use. Nothing major as she in great shape.
     
  30. vur

    vur Karting

    May 9, 2006
    195
    Full Name:
    Vur
    Super!
    Were there any exotic materials used on these cars of that period? I recently saw a 906 Porsche (Carrera 6) and that had some early fiberglass fixtures (or so they appeared) around the velo stacks, as well as being fiberglass bodied.

    So after the refresh 0854 will have Maranello Concessionaires dressing? Will it sport the BOAC logo as well?

    A pic of the cockpit and instruments would be welcome if possible.

    Thanks for sharing Jim
     
  31. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
    Honorary Owner

    Oct 23, 2002
    32,122
    Full Name:
    Jim Glickenhaus
    Yes she will be painted as she was and have BOAC label. Will round up a dash photo.

    Best
     
  32. henk4

    henk4 Formula Junior

    Mar 13, 2006
    304
    Holland
    Full Name:
    Pieter Melissen

    but it was the only race in Europe where the 2F won....
     
  33. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
    Honorary Owner

    Oct 23, 2002
    32,122
    Full Name:
    Jim Glickenhaus
    No that photo is from Le Mans. The 2F won Brands Hatch.

    Best
     
  34. henk4

    henk4 Formula Junior

    Mar 13, 2006
    304
    Holland
    Full Name:
    Pieter Melissen
    indeed, I got confused because of the mentioning of the BOAC label. Did your car at any time carry the British registration plate "2 PV"?

    best
     
  35. Texas Forever

    Texas Forever Two Time F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Apr 28, 2003
    23,934
    Texas!
    Jim, just curious. I imagine that the coupe is a lot nosier and hotter than the spyder, yes? Or, does the thrill of driving the car make you not even think about such things?

    Dale
     
  36. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
    Honorary Owner

    Oct 23, 2002
    32,122
    Full Name:
    Jim Glickenhaus
    #34 Napolis, Jun 30, 2006
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    Hi

    I believe it did.

    http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/0854.412P.htm

    Dale

    Perfect for those fall days. Now that 0846 is back to her spyder configuration I have one for those summer days as well.

    Best
    IMG_0451 (2).JPG
     
  37. thepinkumbrella

    thepinkumbrella F1 Veteran

    Feb 26, 2006
    5,429
    United Kingdom
    Full Name:
    Paul Harris
    The car wore 2 PV whilst in the ownership of Paul Vestey
     
  38. henk4

    henk4 Formula Junior

    Mar 13, 2006
    304
    Holland
    Full Name:
    Pieter Melissen
    #36 henk4, Jun 30, 2006
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    in which case....(during one of end of nineties Coys festivals)
    ferrariP34s.jpg
     
  39. enzo360

    enzo360 F1 Veteran
    Consultant

    Aug 1, 2004
    5,108
    Belgium
    Full Name:
    Jurgen Durand
    #37 enzo360, Jun 30, 2006
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    1997.
    000854 330P3-4 2.jpg
     
  40. henk4

    henk4 Formula Junior

    Mar 13, 2006
    304
    Holland
    Full Name:
    Pieter Melissen
    and nice to see that they called it a P3/4 rather than a 412P....
     
  41. ArtS

    ArtS F1 Veteran
    Rossa Subscribed

    Nov 11, 2003
    5,718
    Central NJ
    Pieter,

    This is not a problem - Jim has both cases covered!

    Regards,

    Art S.
     
  42. henk4

    henk4 Formula Junior

    Mar 13, 2006
    304
    Holland
    Full Name:
    Pieter Melissen
    Of course, I never doubted Jim's ability to solve any problems. Just the fact that both type indications are being used makes the live of a Ferrari historian quite interesting....
     
  43. ArtS

    ArtS F1 Veteran
    Rossa Subscribed

    Nov 11, 2003
    5,718
    Central NJ
    Pieter,

    I meant that he has an example of each - P3/4 and 412P.

    Regards,

    Art S.
     
  44. henk4

    henk4 Formula Junior

    Mar 13, 2006
    304
    Holland
    Full Name:
    Pieter Melissen
    but according to the sign used by Coys he now has two P3/4s......(taking 0846 as a P3/4)
     
  45. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
    Honorary Owner

    Oct 23, 2002
    32,122
    Full Name:
    Jim Glickenhaus
    Hi

    They are wrong.

    0854 is a 412P

    0846 is the only P 3/4 it is unique/one of one.

    Best
     
  46. henk4

    henk4 Formula Junior

    Mar 13, 2006
    304
    Holland
    Full Name:
    Pieter Melissen
    just waiting for you to enter the debate.....thanks
     
  47. R33

    R33 Formula Junior

    May 7, 2005
    943
    Kent,UK
    Full Name:
    Paul Creed
    #45 R33, Jun 30, 2006
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    Covered by motorsport in the April '97 issue, kindly pointed out to me by a good friend.
    I've been waiting for this 0854 thread Jim....Dont disappoint me :)
    MotorSport-April1997-Cover.JPG
     
  48. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
    Honorary Owner

    Oct 23, 2002
    32,122
    Full Name:
    Jim Glickenhaus
    They're wrong too 0854 is a 412P. :)
     
  49. henk4

    henk4 Formula Junior

    Mar 13, 2006
    304
    Holland
    Full Name:
    Pieter Melissen
    stupid britons.....
     
  50. R33

    R33 Formula Junior

    May 7, 2005
    943
    Kent,UK
    Full Name:
    Paul Creed
    Yes i know!!, but didnt have any choice with the description.
    Fortunately not such a stoopid Briton :):)
     
  51. fastback33

    fastback33 Formula 3
    Silver Subscribed

    Mar 8, 2004
    1,432
    Purely out of curiosity how much does a 330 p car go for now? 1 mil? 2? 2.5? Or less?
     
  52. wax

    wax Three Time F1 World Champ
    Advising Moderator

    Jul 20, 2003
    38,620
    SFPD
    Full Name:
    Dirty Harry
    I never tire of reading those two words.
     

Share This Page