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2011 612 Scaglietti

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  1. Scuderia_Ferrari

    Scuderia_Ferrari Formula Junior

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    Does anybody have any idea on what changes will be made to the 612 Scaglietti when it is updated in the next year or two?

    I'm thinking pretty basic. Horsepower increase, mild exterior upgrades, new options?

    Think it will keep it's name or be called the 612M Scaglietti?
     
  2. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Jamie- It will be a new car with a new engine and drivetrain with a dual clutch transmission, almost assuredly. The 612 is the last Ferrari with an engine still requiring a cam belt change, so that has to go. The car first came out in 2004, so there will be very little in common with the current 612. Expect a new name, too. In 2015 there will be an M version of the new car.

    Taz
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  3. Scuderia_Ferrari

    Scuderia_Ferrari Formula Junior

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    Thanks Terry. So essentially it'll be a full on replacement of the 612, as appose to an 'updated' version like I was assuming?
     
  4. Bronzage

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    My dealer is in maranello, saw the new 612, 4x4 640hp!!!!! Looks amazing...totally new car. 7speed dual clutch. Can't wait.
     
  5. ttforcefed

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    any idea when it will be out?
     
  6. 612scag

    612scag Formula Junior

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    4*4? Wow, that would be a major change. Is this confirmed or just rumors at this stage?

     
  7. ttforcefed

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    4X4 kind of useless to me...i wldnt want it in my QP either...
     
  8. mkultra

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    did he like the design?
     
  9. Bronzage

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    He said it looks stunning. Very different than current car. what they showed him was the desing sketches, and they had a look at the prototype. there was a dealer event focused on customer service, brand image, and new product communication over the past few days.....he said...the car is incredible.

    As far as I was told...the 4 wheel drive thing is confirmed...not sure about why. Its just what I was told. I find it very odd for ferrari...but trust them....they always pull off a masterpiece.

    MJ
     
  10. donv

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    AWD makes a lot of sense for a grand tourer, especially considering the competition. I guess it depends on where you live, but I always have AWD in my sedans. It's less important in a car like the 612, although I'd still like to have it.
     
  11. Maximus

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    I guess Ferrari will adopt the four-wheel-drive just as Audi and Lamborghini do for their cars. 60% of the power goes to the back wheels and the remaining 40% goes to the front wheels. They wouldn't turn the new 612 in a range rover I guess/hope ;)
     
  12. M-individual

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    Very interesting. Thanks for the info.
     
  13. Bronzage

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    Also heard the car will have a lift back not a normal boot, front end very 458 like, but wider.

    The car is to be a masterpiece!
     
  14. Ferrarista3

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    I hope not...
     
  15. Bronzage

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    that was what someone described it as, as far as I know, no two ferrari models look alike during production.

    Lets see. I cant wait!
     
  16. Bas

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    Clearly Ferrari didn't learn first time round then.

    Shame about the 4wd though. If it was an option, I'd understand, but it isn't, so I don't.
     
  17. tfazio

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    The 4wd system on the new 612 is going to be an interchangeable 4wd system I believe. 4wd wheel only be used for a few seconds when accelerating. It will be a totally different than what Lamborghini offers on their cars. The car will essentially be a rwd car with power only going to all wheels when it is needed most. I do not see any problem with it. It will give you the benefit of outstanding acceleration while not giving away any of the attributes that come with a rwd car. I think it is a win win proposition.
     
  18. Bronzage

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    Thats what they were saying, very advanced 4wd system. The main focus is usable power on a GT delivering uncompromised performance in all driving conditions. Acceleration is supposed to be incredible and strong all the way to top end. 458 territory, which is crazy for a car that size.
     
  19. tfazio

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    The Panamera Turbo proves it is possible for a car to comfortably hold 4 people and accelerate to 60 mph in less than 4 seconds. It too has a dual clutch transmission but it has AWD. I would guess the new 612 will be at least as fast as the Panamera and be much better looking too. I look forward to seeing it.
     
  20. 612scag

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    Quite a few people seem to drive their current 612s as daily drivers. It would help them if they live in areas where winter/snow is a factor. If Ferrari could pull this off without any compromises, more power to them in my view.


     
  21. tazandjan

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    A four wheel drive system for a Ferrari would not have a fixed torque split between rear and front axles. Most of the time, 100% of the power will go to the back wheels unless the system senses slip and then torque will be routed to the front. So you end up with the same feel in dry conditions and a bit of help when things get slippery. A little more weight, but all you need is a lot of hp and that is no problem for a 6 liter or so V12 with 600+ hp. The current 5.75 liter engine make 540 hp and that is with no VVT, no direct injection, etc. Even with an engine tuned more for torque, the next engine should be a beauty.

    Taz
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  22. piloti

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    Spot on from what I've been told (on a visit to Ferrari only a few days back). Forget conventional 4wd. Outstanding acceleration, and cornering power.
    Nathan
     
  23. omd78

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    Getting curious...

    Gr. Martin
     
  24. Bronzage

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    Cant wait! I think its gonna be a masterpiece. I also heard the car will be cheaper than the current 612 OTO, probably even under a 599 GTB base price too.

    I am more excited about this car than any other in the recent new models. I am a fan of the big front v12 2+2 Fcars. 612 & 456 are incredible cars.
     
  25. michal12

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    Panamera Turbo understeers like hell. Let's hope Ferrari will do a better job

     

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