2011 612 Scaglietti

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  1. Scuderia_Ferrari

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    Does anybody have any idea on what changes will be made to the 612 Scaglietti when it is updated in the next year or two?

    I'm thinking pretty basic. Horsepower increase, mild exterior upgrades, new options?

    Think it will keep it's name or be called the 612M Scaglietti?
     
  2. tazandjan

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    Jamie- It will be a new car with a new engine and drivetrain with a dual clutch transmission, almost assuredly. The 612 is the last Ferrari with an engine still requiring a cam belt change, so that has to go. The car first came out in 2004, so there will be very little in common with the current 612. Expect a new name, too. In 2015 there will be an M version of the new car.

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  3. Scuderia_Ferrari

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    Thanks Terry. So essentially it'll be a full on replacement of the 612, as appose to an 'updated' version like I was assuming?
     
  4. Bronzage

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    My dealer is in maranello, saw the new 612, 4x4 640hp!!!!! Looks amazing...totally new car. 7speed dual clutch. Can't wait.
     
  5. ttforcefed

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    any idea when it will be out?
     
  6. 612scag

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    4*4? Wow, that would be a major change. Is this confirmed or just rumors at this stage?

     
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  8. ttforcefed

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    4X4 kind of useless to me...i wldnt want it in my QP either...
     
  9. mkultra

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    did he like the design?
     
  10. Bronzage

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    He said it looks stunning. Very different than current car. what they showed him was the desing sketches, and they had a look at the prototype. there was a dealer event focused on customer service, brand image, and new product communication over the past few days.....he said...the car is incredible.

    As far as I was told...the 4 wheel drive thing is confirmed...not sure about why. Its just what I was told. I find it very odd for ferrari...but trust them....they always pull off a masterpiece.

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  11. donv

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    AWD makes a lot of sense for a grand tourer, especially considering the competition. I guess it depends on where you live, but I always have AWD in my sedans. It's less important in a car like the 612, although I'd still like to have it.
     
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    I guess Ferrari will adopt the four-wheel-drive just as Audi and Lamborghini do for their cars. 60% of the power goes to the back wheels and the remaining 40% goes to the front wheels. They wouldn't turn the new 612 in a range rover I guess/hope ;)
     
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    Very interesting. Thanks for the info.
     
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    Also heard the car will have a lift back not a normal boot, front end very 458 like, but wider.

    The car is to be a masterpiece!
     
  16. Ferrarista3

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    I hope not...
     
  17. Bronzage

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    that was what someone described it as, as far as I know, no two ferrari models look alike during production.

    Lets see. I cant wait!
     
  18. Bas Jaski

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    Clearly Ferrari didn't learn first time round then.

    Shame about the 4wd though. If it was an option, I'd understand, but it isn't, so I don't.
     
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    The 4wd system on the new 612 is going to be an interchangeable 4wd system I believe. 4wd wheel only be used for a few seconds when accelerating. It will be a totally different than what Lamborghini offers on their cars. The car will essentially be a rwd car with power only going to all wheels when it is needed most. I do not see any problem with it. It will give you the benefit of outstanding acceleration while not giving away any of the attributes that come with a rwd car. I think it is a win win proposition.
     
  20. Bronzage

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    Thats what they were saying, very advanced 4wd system. The main focus is usable power on a GT delivering uncompromised performance in all driving conditions. Acceleration is supposed to be incredible and strong all the way to top end. 458 territory, which is crazy for a car that size.
     
  21. tfazio

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    The Panamera Turbo proves it is possible for a car to comfortably hold 4 people and accelerate to 60 mph in less than 4 seconds. It too has a dual clutch transmission but it has AWD. I would guess the new 612 will be at least as fast as the Panamera and be much better looking too. I look forward to seeing it.
     
  22. 612scag

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    Quite a few people seem to drive their current 612s as daily drivers. It would help them if they live in areas where winter/snow is a factor. If Ferrari could pull this off without any compromises, more power to them in my view.


     
  23. tazandjan

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    A four wheel drive system for a Ferrari would not have a fixed torque split between rear and front axles. Most of the time, 100% of the power will go to the back wheels unless the system senses slip and then torque will be routed to the front. So you end up with the same feel in dry conditions and a bit of help when things get slippery. A little more weight, but all you need is a lot of hp and that is no problem for a 6 liter or so V12 with 600+ hp. The current 5.75 liter engine make 540 hp and that is with no VVT, no direct injection, etc. Even with an engine tuned more for torque, the next engine should be a beauty.

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    Spot on from what I've been told (on a visit to Ferrari only a few days back). Forget conventional 4wd. Outstanding acceleration, and cornering power.
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  25. omd78

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    Getting curious...

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  26. Bronzage

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    Cant wait! I think its gonna be a masterpiece. I also heard the car will be cheaper than the current 612 OTO, probably even under a 599 GTB base price too.

    I am more excited about this car than any other in the recent new models. I am a fan of the big front v12 2+2 Fcars. 612 & 456 are incredible cars.
     
  27. michal12

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    Panamera Turbo understeers like hell. Let's hope Ferrari will do a better job

     
  28. Bas Jaski

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    It'll be a 'save-your-ass-when-the-computers-think-you-can't-do-it-anymore' Nissan GTR like 4wd system then I assume.

    Personally I prefer balls out RWD over 4wd any day of the week...but then again, There's a 599 GTx for that and the 458.

    It would be nice if Ferrari would make it an option...but I highly doubt that.
     
  29. Bronzage

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    You can always count on Ferrari to deliver a Ferrari!!! What I am trying to say is, they dont dissapoint. Each time a new model is launched it has managed to lead the way and is the aspiration for others. I am positive that the replacement will be nothing short of spectacular.

    I am considering cancelling my GTO order and get the 612 replacement. I have heard so much about what the car is expected to be and deliver..cant wait!

    MJ
     
  30. ttforcefed

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    yeah but what about price? an 09 612 OTO came in at 360Kish. is hte new car going to be 400K+? thats f40 land!!
     
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    New 612 to be slightly less than base price of a 599 GTB.
     
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    Interesting. Great info you are posting!

    Will it still be a full 4-seater or will it revert to being a 2+2?

    Do you know when it is due to be revealed/launched?

    Regards

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  33. Bronzage

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    Paul,

    it will be similar to the current 612 in terms of seating....enough for a medium/full sized adult to sit in the back with decent headroom. The car is ready from what I have heard, and will surprise many once its revealed this sept. It will be revealed first to the dealers then will be launched at the autoshow.

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  34. omd78

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    Paris? Frankfurt?

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  35. Bronzage

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    I think Frankfurt...which show is late sept?
     
  36. omd78

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    I guess it's Paris (2/17 October). Frankfurt is every two years.

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    This year it is Paris.

    What will the new car be called? I reckon it's time the 'Lusso' name was revived
     
  38. omd78

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    We've had Modena, Scaglietti, Fiorano, California, Italia, GTO, so go figure. They'll probably bring out the old book and pick a name ;)

    Lusso doesn't sound too bad for that matter...

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  39. Ferrari 360 CS

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    Four wheel drive makes no sense to me at all, more weight and more complexity, for what, for maybe at most 2 dozen people who would ever drive their Ferrari in the snow? Sure it may aid acceleration but at what cost to weight and handling.

    However, this may be an attempt by Ferrari to take the 2+2 model into its own niche market. I beleive this is a concerted start of a more defined product range, this in my opinion sets the tone that the 599 replacement will even more of a supercar GT.
     
  40. ttforcefed

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    so its going to be cheaper than the current 612 OTO?
     
  41. Bronzage

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    yes cheaper than a 612 OTO.


    On the comments of the 4wd......what ever ferrari come up with....they have never compromised. SO trust what they are doing...I have every confidence they will release a worthy replacement....they know their market...and always deliver.

    MJ
     
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    I'm presuming such a system would be the first of it's kind, correct? The idea of not having a set torque split sounds ingenious. I can't wait to hear more!

    How exactly does the AWD system work in the GTR? Am I right in thinking that it has a fixed torque split between the front and rear, or is it more like the system described above?
     
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    I figured most of you have probably seen this, but just in case...
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  44. mazza

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    I have been told the new scaglietti pictures will surface next week. And been told they are "spectacular " some one out there in Ferrari chat has the pics!!! Please post a.s.a.p.!!
     
  45. Stefan_009

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    This is exciting stuff, Ferrari is on fire lately
     
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    the 4 wheel drive system will automatically disengage itself at 140kph. it will be in the form of a shooting brake, ie a hatchback.
     
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    Can't wait! Pictures were to appear this week weren't they?

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  48. Stefan_009

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    Wow it sounds AMAZING, i also believe that is it
     
  49. mazza

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    been told new 612 scaglietti will be on show for the first time in geneva moter show next year. ferrari are not releasing pictures as yet, been told end of year, been told its a bigger car wider longer more head room more powerful 4 wheel drive and its a hatch......better fuel comsupion then current scaglietti...and also not much price different...if not a little cheaper. but best of all it,s going to be a fabalous motor car......will keep you inform......
     
  50. Scuderia-F1

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    I´m SOO looking forward to see this one!
     
  51. arhimede

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    About the 4wd...there were rumors about front wheels being driven exclusively by electric engine. That makes sense considering 4wd form will only me used very little, and also hybrid cars use electric engine very little time.

    Furthermore about next 612 there were rumors about a hybrid power. So it all makes sense.



    >>Ferrari has been working on an electrically driven 4x4 system for its future models, senior company sources have confirmed.
    The various alternatives for the hybrid system were first revealed on the Autocar website earlier this year but Ferrari says the final hybrid design will be used for front engined GT models and will drive the front wheels.
    However, the source says that the first models equipped with the system will not appear before 2014. The aim of the 4x4 system – which will use motors mounted inboard of the front wheels – will be to improve handling rather than improve fuel economy.
    Insiders say that using torquey electric motors to power the front wheels will offer significant improvements in acceleration and much improved cornering prowess, because the torque delivery to each front wheel can be carefully controlled.<< Autocar
     

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