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    Williams driver Valtteri Bottas is Mercedes' first choice to replace Nico Rosberg as Lewis Hamilton's team-mate, BBC Sport has learned.

    But Williams have rejected an initial offer to release Finn Bottas from his 2017 contract.

    In a separate development, Mercedes technical boss Paddy Lowe is close to finalising a deal to join Williams.

    Lowe is set to be replaced at the world champions by former Ferrari technical director James Allison.

    The Mercedes driver conundrum

    Mercedes Formula 1 boss Toto Wolff has zeroed in on Bottas as his favoured option as a replacement for Rosberg, who retired five days after winning his first world title last month despite having two further years on his Mercedes contract.

    Wolff has approached Williams with a proposal that he gives them a major reduction in their engine bill - said to be in the region of €10m euros (£8.4m); more than half the total fee - in return for releasing Bottas.

    Williams also have the option to run Mercedes reserve driver Pascal Wehrlein in Bottas' place.

    Wolff, who is part of Bottas' management team, sees the 27-year-old as a close like-for-like replacement for Rosberg - quick, a reliable and consistent points scorer, and relatively easy to manage alongside the more mercurial Hamilton.

    Williams have said no to Wolff's first offer but negotiations are expected to continue in the coming days.

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    British GP: Valtteri Bottas drives 'Silverstone on ice'
    Williams' problem with losing Bottas

    Williams feel they need an experienced contender in one of their cars next season because their other driver is Canadian rookie Lance Stroll.

    The 18-year-old, who won the Formula Three Euroseries in 2016 and comes with a budget reputed to be at least £20m, has been on an extensive test programme intended to prepare him comprehensively for his F1 debut.

    But Williams are concerned that partnering him with 22-year-old Wehrlein, who has only one year's experience with the back-of-the-grid Manor team, would be a significant risk to their chances of maximising their championship position.

    Each place in the constructors' table is worth millions of pounds.

    There is also a complication with Williams' sponsors, among them the drinks giant Martini, for which having two drivers under 25 does not sit well in promotional terms.

    German Wehrlein is also in talks with the Swiss Sauber team, which is yet to name a team-mate for Swede Marcus Ericsson.

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    Up close and personal with F1 driver Pascal Wehrlein
    Another option for Williams would be to replace Bottas with Brazilian Felipe Nasr, who drove for Sauber in 2015 and 2016.

    Mercedes are believed to be reluctant to promote Wehrlein to a race seat because they believe he lacks the necessary experience to be a guaranteed performer who can help them retain the constructors' title.

    But Mercedes' other choices are limited - every other driver with experience is contracted to a rival.

    One outside possibility if a deal cannot be done with Williams is Carlos Sainz.

    The 22-year-old Spaniard is under contract to Red Bull next season to continue with their junior team Toro Rosso for a third season, but sources say the drinks company would release him if Mercedes came in for him.

    This has not yet been discussed extensively within Mercedes and would not be a preferred option, not least because of their difficult relationship with Red Bull.

    Technical merry-go-round

    Paddy Lowe
    Lowe has served as Mercedes' executive director since 2013, after previously working with Williams and McLaren
    Lowe's departure from Mercedes would break up the technical team that has dominated F1 since 2014.

    In his role as executive director (technical), he has been in overall control of the sporting and technical sides of the team, with only Wolff in a more senior role.

    Williams have been courting the 54-year-for some months and sources close to the deal say he is now on the verge of finalising an agreement to rejoin the outfit where he started his F1 career nearly 30 years ago.

    Lowe has not yet held formal discussions about his future with Wolff, BBC Sport understands.

    Allison has had talks with Mercedes and is said by senior insiders to have agreed a deal to run the technical and design side of the team.

    The 48-year-old, who left Ferrari as part of a reshuffle in July, is one of the most highly-regarded aerodynamics experts and design leaders in F1.

    Sources close to Ferrari say he is on a year's gardening leave and could not join a rival until the summer of 2017.

    Lowe would also have to serve a notice period of at least six months once he and Wolff have held the talks that will determine his future.

    Mercedes declined to comment.

    Allison worked at Ferrari through their dominant era with Michael Schumacher between 2000 and 2004; won two drivers' titles with Fernando Alonso at Renault in 2005 and 2006; and stayed there through its change into Lotus in 2012, before moving back to Ferrari in 2013.

    Following his split with the Italian team in the summer, Allison has already turned down offers from Williams and Renault. Red Bull are not interested in him.

    McLaren, who came close to signing him in 2012, have been told that Allison is not available because he is committed to another team - which they believe to be Mercedes.
     
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    All very interesting stuff PP.

    Bottas to Mercedes? That could be fun.

    Looking forward to hearing more.
     
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    Merc's problem is finding someone who'll put up with Lewis. Sainz is a real talent but he would be an instant clash.

    Bottas has the perfect chilled personality and Frank knows it - he'll screw Toto for 5 years of free engines before he's finished :)

    The Merc board must be asking why they have to put up with all the bollocks caused by Lewis, especially after a perfectly nice bloke just got them the double crown.
     
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    Be funny if they don't re-new his contract again. Keep Bottas on the books and find a new driver to take Hamilton's place. :p
     
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    Wolff is part of Bottas' management, offering Mercedes money to Williams in order to get his boy on the Merc team? Conflict of interest, anyone? Nothing against Bottas, I think he'd do well.
     
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    I think he is over rated. Definitely has not set the F1 world on fire.
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    He started off well...then was overshadowed by Ricci,Ferrari(a bit),Max V,and a few others.
     
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    Interesting analysis, but the bottom line is that the cars will be faster but with less overtaking, other than the artificial DRS. The more complex front wing and barge boards, plus larger rear diffusers, make the loss of downforce when following even more pronounced.

    The 2017 changes will disadvantage drivers like Ricciardo, with his late braking style and benefit people like Hamilton, who will still have the most powerful car and the greater likelihood of getting pole.

    You can be sure that Nico Rosberg had sampled the 2017 car in the simulator and it contributed to his retirement decision...
     
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    Can't argue with any of that. :)
     
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    ^^^^^ yes, very interesting analysis, thanks KIAI
     
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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4E9Qx5_lTY[/ame]
     
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    It's an official video idiot. They probably spent $100k+ to make it :p
     
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    Nico not letting go of that trophy!
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    Lol, bugger that. :p

    I wouldn't either, first and last time he will ever get to hold it the big wuss. :eek::eek:
     
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    Well that's a bit boring........

    Mercedes will not announce who will replace Nico Rosberg alongside Lewis Hamilton for the 2017 Formula 1 season until next year.

    World champion Rosberg's shock retirement has left Mercedes with little time and a small pool of drivers - especially those not under contract - to choose from as a replacement.

    It is believed Mercedes contacted Williams to discuss the possibility of releasing Valtteri Bottas, who has Mercedes chief Toto Wolff as part of his management team.

    As part of the package, Williams is understood to have been offered a reduction in the cost of its 2017 engine supply - around £10m - as well as the opportunity to run its reserve Pascal Wehrlein.

    That offer was rejected but it is believed a second proposal is being formulated.

    With Christmas approaching, Mercedes says there will be no announcements from the team regarding the seat until January 3 at the earliest.



    Mercedes could call on Wehrlein, but it is believed the team is uncertain if he yet has the necessary experience after one season with Manor.

    Another of its juniors, Esteban Ocon recently signed a multi-year deal with Force India, which is keen to keep hold of the Frenchman for next season.

    Carlos Sainz Jr has also emerged as a contender, despite being under contract to Red Bull.

    Autosport understands there is the possibility of the Spaniard being released from his Toro Rosso deal, should an offer come from Mercedes.

    Rosberg's old drive is one of four still available, with Sauber requiring a team-mate for Marcus Ericsson and both Manor seats free.
     
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    Williams is in talks with Massa to come out of retirement so Bottarse can go to Merc.
     
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    Holy fast comeback Batman!
     
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  25. Aircon

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    Interesting.............

     
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    If that ****ing **** ever ends up at Ferrari it will be the day I stop supporting them.
     
  27. Aircon

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    Ferrari already has that person driving for them, except a German.
     
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    YEP
     
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    Brilliant !! :)
     
  31. Aircon

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    Nico's milking it for all it's worth, as he should be!

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zAFhmq-txk[/ame]
     
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    Yep!
    What's got me buggered(apart from Carl),is that they keep engaging Aussies.
    What's the bloody point if they keep playing silly buggers as they have been.
     
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    https://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2016/12/reflections-on-f1-2016-ferrari-fall-short-of-expectations-major-upheaval-at-base/

    Ferrari will be one of the teams that cannot wait to see the back of 2016. It was a poor season for the sport’s longest running team.
    Chairman Sergio Marchionne sent them on their way with messages like, “I expect us to win”, a line which he threw into the mix just before the Spanish Grand Prix.
    At that stage, Ferrari had scored just 76 points from the first four races, compared to Mercedes’ 157, and had achieved a best finish of second for Kimi Raikkonen in Bahrain and Sebastian Vettel in China.
    Ferrari

    Ferrari had been in a position to win the season opening race in Australia but made the wrong call on tyres during the red flag period caused by Fernando Alonso’s enormous crash with Esteban Gutierrez.
    Ironically, Spain did offer the Scuderia its best chance of a win, thanks to the two Mercedes drivers taking each other out on the opening lap. Only Red Bull stood in its way, but they got the upper hand thanks to a better job in qualifying by their two drivers.
    The Ferrari was the faster car on race day, but Ferrari didn’t put enough pressure on Red Bull strategically, especially when Red Bull unexpectedly switched Ricciardo onto a three stop strategy, when he had been pacing himself for a two-stop.
    Ferrari lacked confidence; especially with Marchionne dropping in on race day, after they had underperformed in qualifying. The team needed to respond to the pressure from the Chairman by being bold, but they looked more like they wanted to avoid taking a risk that might backfire in front of the boss.
    James Allison

    And so the season began to unravel. Disagreements behind the scenes between Marchionne and the technical director James Allison led to the Englishman’s departure, replaced by Mattia Binotto, who had been head of engines. Marchionne spoke of reshaping Ferrari around Italian engineers, moving away from a reliance on foreign ‘mercenaries’.
    The impact of Allison’s departure was huge and although the team coped admirably in continuing to develop the car, inevitably it fell behind a fast improving Red Bull and further adrift of Mercedes. Much of the failure to achieve results in 2016 was pinned on the operational and strategy side of the team and it is true that they had a number of ‘off days’. It was a tough year for Inaki Rueda, (above right) the strategist and a close ally of Allison’s from their Lotus days.
    But the fact was that the car just wasn’t fast enough. Ferrari’s abject qualifying record speaks for itself; the team has scored only one pole position in the last four years and failed to qualify on the front row of the grid for any of the 21 Grands Prix this season.
    You cannot hope to win anything in F1 if the fundamental pillar of competitiveness in qualifying is not there.
    The SF16-H chassis was a good step forward from the 2015 model, with many aerodynamic upgrades, including a short nose to improve airflow under the car to the floor, where so much of the downforce of an F1 car is generated. But the car’s weakness was that it operated in too narrow a window of temperature.
    To get the tyres working perfectly was a struggle if the track temperature was too hot or too cold and that pretty much defined their season.
    Sebastian Vettel

    More worrying was the decline of Vettel, who began the year with a string of podiums, but then after the European Grand Prix in June, scored only one further podium in 12 races and began to look as though he was reliving Fernando Alonso’s nightmare.
    However Vettel ended the season with a strong podium in Abu Dhabi. He will be a free agent at the end of 2017 and with Nico Rosberg’s shock decision to depart Mercedes and Fernando Alonso’s contract up in December at McLaren, Vettel could be a key player in the driver market next summer, if he decides to abandon the Ferrari project.
    He makes the right noises about the future, but one wonders whether he able to move on after he was slapped down by team principal Maurizio Arrivabene in Suzuka for trying to lead the team outside the cockpit, or has that made up his mind to change horses?
    If there was a positive it was that Kimi Raikkonen rediscovered his touch, after a couple of seasons of anonymity, which led most observers to question why he was being retained.
    Kimi Raikkonen

    The switch from pullrod to pushrod front suspension gave Raikkonen the feel for the front end of the car that is indispensable to his cornering style and he thrived; outqualifying Sebastian Vettel 11-10 across the season, including the last four races, which no-one would have predicted at the start of the season.
    Next year, with the significant change of regulations, offers Ferrari hope that it can challenge for wins and the title. But the opposition is very strong, especially from Mercedes and Red Bull and one suspects that Ferrari may be looking over their shoulder at McLaren Honda, rather than ahead at the benchmark teams.
    But let’s hope not. A strong Ferrari is very important to F1.
     
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    Tragic, here is your problem in a nutshell:

    "the team has scored only one pole position in the last four years"

    One word...

    OUCH!
     
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    Hamilton said "'Title is better than a win' - Abu Dhabi 2015"

    Gee I wish Rosberg said the same thing this year. He's just got so much more class than Lewis.
     
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    Just like the Skysport telecast...........also known as the Lewis Hamilton show.

    Poor Lewis, should have won, could have won, car broke down.......blah, blah, blah.
     

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