250 California Spyder Modena body modifications

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  1. Mattie69

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    #1 Mattie69, Nov 21, 2016
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    Hi
    A few months ago I bought this fiberglass 250 California Spyder replica made by Modena back in the late 80s,the car has a full tube chassis,ford 302 (350hp)with weber IDFs,5speed,9" rear, and the only set of Dayton aluminum rimmed wheels I have ever seen,runs out like a 289 cobra,surprisingly well built car and has 54k miles on it( that says a lot for a production assembled kit car), I have been modifying the body and interior to give it a more authentic look, I have been able to find a lot of reproduction Ferrari California Spyder parts to facilitate the transformation, I'll post some pictures of the car when I purchased it and as we have been modifying it, please email with any suggestions,the only real info I seem to be able to find is from pictures online ,and I would assume you would have to go thru a background check to actually sit in a real one lol, ..also please email me if you have any parts available for my project.....Matt.procann@gmail.com.......I can't seem to put more than two pictures up? What am I doing wrong?
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    I am sorry I can't seem get many pictures up
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    #3 Mattie69, Nov 21, 2016
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    Removed the fiat 124 folding top assembly and made a mold to cover this area
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    No more top
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  5. PAUL500

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    Good to see you found this section :)

    Do you know how many of these kits were built?

    Was the FB one exactly the same as yours, pre mods that is?

    Any plans to fit a Ferrari drivetrain?
     
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    You weren't kidding about heavily modifying it. Wow. That rear section alone made a huge difference. Look forward to seeing the other mods.
     
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    I would love to own one of these replicas! Good luck with everything, looks great!
     
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    #8 any_1, Nov 23, 2016
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    It has been up oc FC earlier but it is rather cool, even if it is not a particularly correct 250 California replica. Hand built body on a California chassis
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    Everyone's thinkin it, I'll say it. Wheels are hideous, rest of car looks presentable, so re think that wheel application and would be pretty cool overall. Just my 2 cts.

    real k/o Borrani's ftw, and more tire, less wheel, and lift that car up!

    to the op, these Modena spiders are cool, I remember when they were first borne. Pretty sure they employed one for a role in Ferris Buellers day off.
     
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    The wheels are not pretty, but they are modern Borranis. The owner said he could not find spoked wheels that would fit the brake discs....
     
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    I reckoned they were Boranni's - why I edited in the k/o part. Too bad a better 'look' can't be achieved.
     
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    Thanks for sharing your thoughts,the wheels look very close to borrani,but they have Dayton hubs and aluminum rims,I called Dayton and apparently they made such a wheel for a couple years about 25 years ago,I believe Modena Made about 50-100 cars before Ferrari sued them and forced them to stop production,my main goal with a lot of the modifications is make it more look and feel more vintage, I just started modifying the headlight tubes and going with a vintage headlight assembly and trim ring...ill get some more pictures up
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    I seam to be having trouble loading more then one or two pics at time,in the previous post picture we modified the rear section by raising the the rear body panel to fit the reproduced Spyder taillights...we have to enlarge the surface area on the dash to get the larger reproduced Ferrari veglia tach and speedo in,I have collected all the old Ceam switches,lighter and ignition switch
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    Replaced the GM steering ,a reproduced steering column pieces,Terry at GTO engineering in the Uk has been very helpful in supplying a lot of these parts
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    We are eliminating all the dash vents except defrost and running the heat&a/c out of sight under the dash,added a glove box door and there is nothing like a vintage Ferrari steering wheel
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    We eliminated the vent window assemblies and changed out the window regulator,we had to go power to make it work( but the switches will be the correct window cranks,)we also raised the the inside door handles and window cranks to correct height on the doors,we also fit the correct reproduced outside door handles....the mock up door glass is too tall it will be about 3" shorter,we are installing the correct Ferrari reproduced windshield and the frame which is made out of modified Alfa guilietta windsheild frame parts as were the originals...we added an enclosed track to forward area of the doors to get the single piece of glass in,fortunately it has a fiberglass cover so you can't see the modifications
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    The car had molded in headlight buckets and the head light tubes ,cutting these out will help give it that vintage look
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    The molded in headlight tube tampered back to about 7 3/4" ,buy cutting it out and going with a 9" non tapered headlight tube that will fit behind the headlight cover lip it will really give it the alloy body look and allow us to put in the correct size headlight assemblies and rings which are 8" in diameter....
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    These are the wheels on my car ,I am not sure how close to the borrani they are in appearance ,they are 15", I havent really thought about wheels yet ,although I have seen many pics online of the spiders with a wheel that looks to be about an inch wider and they look good, I bought this car from a guy back east it had a antique license plate on it and the car is registered as a 1965 Ferrari ..not sure what the California dmv will do? , kinda hard to lie about sales tax when your registering a 1965 ferrari lol....ill post more pics as I progress,thanks for your interest...sorry about the multiple post ,I can only get one pic per post..
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  22. pcelenta

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    Wow! Looking forward to seeing the windshield fitted.
     
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    I believe all the cars Modena built were the same fiberglass bodies,I believe they built about 50 cars including the 3 used in the movie " Ferris buellers day off",I don't believe Modena sold many cars in the kit form, they are currently being produced by Calspyder in Arizona they purchased the molds and jigs, I actually have damaged 1995 Ferrari 456 available for parts with a good drivetrain ,but I am not planning on changing the drive train, I don't believe it will improve the performance or the value enough to warrant the exspense,if the car was an alloy body with a more period correct frame etc. I probably would ...small block fords have a great sound and mated with Ferrari type exhaust tips it sounds good and vintage Ferrari like
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    These cars come up on every so often,I saw 3 over the coarse of 6-9 months available forsale on eBay ,and one on Craigslist in Hawaii, I really wanted one with webers and aluminum rimmed true knock off spoked wheels , I wasn't really concerned with interior condition because I was going change most of it anyway,the one thing that was consistent with all 3 of the owners was they had owned the cars for 15-22 years and two of the owners were were selling them because they were in there 70s and felt it was time ....it really just made me believe they were well built cars
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    Me to ..it should look great with the vintage shorter windshield..the Modena spyders have a fiat 124 windshield frame and folding soft top,the fiat frame actually doesn't look that bad if you get rid of the vent window assembly,but the fiat top assembly looks doesn't look up,I am going to be using a Austin Healy 100 removable folding soft top fitted with the Alfa guilietta top header ,in the picture it's mocked up on the fiat windshield frame
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    What's the plan with the rocker panels? Are you going to square them off to make them look more like the original spyders?
     
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    Have you seen this one? I think the windshield is too high. I believe this car was made in China and was briefly available. It looks like they modified a Modena as well. But the car overall looks tiny. I am not sure if they kept the wheelbase. but it just looks off.
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    That looks like its based on one of those 600cc retro cars that were produced in the 90s using the chassis of a Micra from memory
     
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    I am going to be using this extruded aluminum and fabricate brackets that will give the rockers a more squared off look,I have a set of the jack hole covers that I will be putting in the rocker moldings too ......I am going to be changing the side vents also
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    This car does look tiny, I saw info on this car but the website is gone,the Modena actually is the size of a LWB Spyder should look about like this car when I am finished
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    Making some progress,fitting the headlight buckets
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    Hi, I just recieved a set of new custom made side vents,they are deeper and shaped differently and much closer to the original spyders, shouldn't be to much glass work to them to fit nicely
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    Nice works of art! So are you keeping the existing plexiglass headlight covers or going with the more bubble shaped covers?
     
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    I wish I could make the more bubbled ones work ,but it would be to much work, it would have been nice to raise the taillights up a couple more inches too and make the bottom of the decklid flush with the rear body panel, we are fitting the side vents you can see the different shape,I have the headlight tubes almost ready to glass in...also been fitting the rocker panel moldings....
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    Fitting the rockers ,it really changes the look of the side profile with the rocker moldings ,they should good polished with the jack hole covers in them.....hopefully getting the windshield and fiberglass blade bumpers next week.....trying to figure out what color to paint the car.....I can't seem to have any luck getting these pictures up correctly
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    Thank you Pcelenta for suggesting these fiberglass bumpers from dnaautomotive they really will work well and are really sturdy 1/4-3/8" thick,we had to take a few inches out of the center and fit them to the car ,but they will look great, Paul's chrome can chrome them using the same process as metal bumpers
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    Rear bumper
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    I'm glad they worked out. I was certainly intrigued by their car. Many details like those bumpers and bumper guards look great and I think they got the shape of the nose and headlights dead on. But the whole packages proportions are screwy I suppose because they are trying to get it to fit the Z3. In my head I am thinking of scratch building my own body and perhaps mating it to a cobra replica chassis modified slightly to the correct SWB. I am a ways off on this (just accumulating parts along the way) as I am deep into the restoration of a pretty rare Porsche and eventually I would like to do a mild cosmetic restoration of my 308. Look forward to seeing the progress on your car. Regards Paul
     
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    Hi, as a previous owner of a Modena (#36 I believe) I'm enjoying the progress on the fairly extensive modifications of your Modena. I saw where there were several comments on your wheels so I'm attaching some pictures of mine just for comparison. I'm sorry that I can't offer much information on the wheels as they came with the car and I was satisfied with them. Keep up the good work and photos. It appears I'm having trouble attaching pictures so there many be additional posts. Gary
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    Additional photo. Gary
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    One more. Gary
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    Hi gsbarr
    Thanks for sharing the pics of your car,looks just like mine before I starting doing the modifications,I have the same wheels,they are Dayton 15x7" aluminum rims,super rare wheels , I have the problem posting more than one picture also.....instead of using the Austin healey 100 to I decide to use an Alfa guilietta 750 soft top assembly, I have to widen it a bit, but it works like the original cars,I was hoping to be able to trim each side of an original 25O windshield but it looks like I will have make a lexan windshield
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    I was fortunate to find a fiberglass dash somebody had made using an original as a mold ,we will have to make it deeper to meet the windshield ,such a huge difference it will make, now you will really be able to see the veglia gauges,
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    Hi Gary
    Did you enjoy your Modena ?how long did you own it? I have found this car to be made well, do you recall what brand and size tires you had on your car, I decided to go with 1960-64 Alfa spider seats they are really close to the same size and shape as the 250 seats and the foam is available ..the welded tube Ferrari frames are exspensive and costly to upholster ...the knock off early lwb dash will really give the car a vintage look
     
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    Seats and dash...wow I got two pics up
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    I did enjoy the car very much, especially taking it to Ferrari functions. It was very well accepted by most, including the dealership. I was always upfront with what it was, whether at a function or receiving inquiries at the gas station. I found that most people couldn't care less whether it was the real thing or not, they just appreciated the styling. And I appreciated their appreciation. I have to say, out of all my cars, it garnered the most attention. Another plus was I was not afraid to drive it and my local mechanic could work on it. Would I rather have had the real thing, sure. I had it for about four years and, I'm sorry I don't remember the size and brand of tires. Have fun with your project.
     
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    Jesus Christ! You look like a skilled guy, but stop wasting time modifying it. It is good enough as it is. Drive it and enjoy it. Every second you spend on it is a second you don't spend in it.
     
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    Hi Luxb1
    I feel you on that, it started as removing the vent Windows and changing out the mgb taillights and a few modifications in the interior to a full modifications from the front bumper to the rear, as long as I have it finished by mid summer for my Lake Tahoe runs I'll be good, we are turning the corner,doing some trans tunnel mods,putting in the proper spare tire storage , should be painted in 6 weeks ,another4- 6 weeks in the upholstery shop, the drive train is perfect so it should be on the road soon...making a mold for a windshield ...
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    Making the Alfa 750 windshield frame work, we tried making an aluminum mold first but it was to hard to work with
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    Wow. Looks amazing. What was the issue with the original spyder California windshield ? Too big? Looking forward to seeing the finished product !
     
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    Yes the Ferrari windshield was too wide and we were hoping to take a little off the sides but then the curve wouldn't be right, if we could took a few inches out of the middle of the windshield it would of been perfect lol,so we made a plastic one .
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    Mattie,

    I followed you over here from the mad mechanics site. Great to see the progress you are making on this car. Is the screen acrylic or polycarb and did you source some with any special kind of scratch resistant coating? I've been looking for a solution like this for my build.
     

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