250 GTO damaged during GTO tour

read today that the guys who did the last restoration/repairs will be tasked with repairing it this time- so it will be perfect again....just like the lady's leg

 

4293GT has never had an accident. It is original. Its the best GTO in existence.

 

Is that a generally accepted truth that 4293GT is the most valuable or desirable 250 GTO?

When valuing these cars is it more important to consider how original it is, or it's racing history? I also assume that style plays into it as well. We all know that each GTO is unique. The short roofed GTO's certainly aren't as pretty. Some GTO's have three slots behind the front tire, while others have two. And there are various other differences.

Several months ago I spoke with a gentleman that claimed that Chris Cox's GTO was one of the most desirable models. I'm not really sure what he was basing that on though.

Which GTO do you think is the most desirable or valuable?

 

4293GT owned by Chip Connor: http://www.streetfire.net/video/ferrari-250-gto-series-1_1997928.htm

4293GT: http://www.barchetta.cc/english/all.ferraris/detail/4293gt.250gto.htm

 

Well, #3705 is also not so bad considering its history!

 

3705GT: http://www.barchetta.cc/english/all.ferraris/detail/3705gt.250gto.htm

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=374880

Do you know anything about Mugello in 1967 and 3705GT, Walter?

 

Yea, glad they're OK. Spirited driving in a $30MM vintage car with little safety measures, other idiots around, plus not sure how much driving experience the wife had either, spells a pretty risky proposition. Who knows maybe they'd turn around drive that kind of event again? It's the old saying, do anything you want as long as you're willing to pay the price. In this case they'll be better soon and out a few bucks fixing the car.

 

Wife wasn't driving.

 

Where did you read this?

 

Huuugh....crashed badly.

 

Was it crashed in practice for the race?

 

The one that came second overall at LeMans ... Original race history trumps everything in my books. The most original probably spent most of it's life sitting in a garage ...
Pete

 

I've just spoken with a highly reliable person who has an extensive, hands-on technical knowledge of historic Ferrari competition cars. This person has seen detailed pictures of 3445 GT taken just after its recent accident.

According to him, the damage has essentially been confined to the nose region, up till about the mid-point of the headlight covers. In addition, the hood panel has suffered some buckling. It did appear as if the chassis has been spared any discernible damage.

The radiator hasn't been moved/displaced from its mounting points.. Nor has there been any damage within the engine compartment, or to the engine itself. There are no signs of coolant or oil leakage. The windscreen has not been damaged. The interior has zero damage, including a complete lack of any buckling to the floors. Both doors open and close without a problem. The car is able to be pushed/moved (i.e. it "rolls" on its own).

His observation is that the aggregate damage has all the hallmarks of a relatively low speed impact.

Interestingly, this same person has also seen detailed photographs of the front-end damage sustained to 3505 GT in the late-1990s (i.e. this is the pale green RHD ex-UDT Laystall GTO which just recently sold for a world record price). By comparison, the extent of the damage to 3445 GT is no worse than what happened to 3505 GT, according to him.

 

3705GT then. Details and pic here: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=374880

3705GT: http://www.barchetta.cc/english/all.ferraris/detail/3705gt.250gto.htm

 

If this was a 360 or other "mundane" Ferrari, then ok i get, it, but when you own a 250 GTO, you are a custodian of history, you are open for scrutiney ... especially when there are no fatalites, or major life threatening injury. beyond the cost and value of the car, Ferrari are not making more GTO's ....

 

Here's a photo of 3647 from the 1963 Nurburgring 1000 Kilometer race:
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...and also a pic of 3647GT at the Goodwood TT on the 24th August, 1963 crashed by Tommy Hitchcock. A great film with no sound of the race here: http://www.britishpathe.com/video/graham-hill-wins-goodwood-tourist-trophy

The car had a hard early life. John Surtees crashed it the year before while leading the race.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=372882&highlight=hitchcock
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4293GT.

Never crashed or modified. Original.

Second outright at LeMans 1963. First in class.

Competed in four races in its life. Won every race outright or came first in class (such as LeMans '63).

It's far and above the greatest GTO against any measure you care to mention - racing history, success and originality.

That's the one.

Wrong, Pete. That would be 4293GT in 1963. It came 2nd outright at LeMans (1st in class) in 1963. 1st outright at Spa (500km) race. It is also the most original, because it was never crashed in its extremely successful racing career. How can you top that????

3705GT also came 2nd outright at LeMans in 1962, but it not what you would call factory original due to some huge accidents in its racing career.

4293GT is as the day it left the factory (just ask John Surtees)... plus a winner every time it went out on the track in premier events.

No. 4293GT.

 

Actually I think 4293GT has better race history (thus agreeing with RMV) as it also came 2nd overall at Le Mans (a year later), but won Spa, Zolder and Reims!

Then 3705 and then maybe 5111? on race history (according to Barchetta.cc).
Pete

 

If you're talking about race history being criteria for desirability, according to Barchetta 3705GT has 32 races recorded and 4293GT only 4. I responed to your post just to show you the pic of 3705 in its crashed state.

 

Yeah, but its not just how many races, but the results. Those 4 races of 4293GT were top class.

Anyway, heck I'd take any .
Pete

 

Quality (including finishing position) over quantity. It's not 4293GT's fault that it is a younger car than 3705GT. 4 wins vs 4 starts = 100% win rate... plus they were all top racing events. Matches 3705GT with a LeMans class win and 2nd OA in 63. And it's never bent a panel (and carries the same panels in the same state as it left the factory in '63 and raced in '63.

How it could not be considered the very best GTO in EVERY respect, escapes me.

 

Yes, I agree. To me personally 4293GT would be much more desirable as the car's condition and the fact that it's never been crashed, meaning its panels are undamaged and original Ferrari, are more important to me than race history. Is 4293GT the only 250 GTO that's never been crashed?

 

......sadly, this just happened to one of our beloved Maseratis, #3061 300S @ The LeMans Classic.

Every car anywhere is at risk of a shunt. Time and money and skill can fix the machine, the people, not so much!


~Best to all!
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Ouch!