308/328 buying recommendation

Discussion in '308/328' started by firedude308QV, Nov 22, 2007.

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  1. firedude308QV

    firedude308QV Karting

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    I have been looking to purchase either a 308 or 328. I have been doing some research for about 6 months now. I would like to be around $35000.00. Are there any particular years or models to avoid? I know some of the early fuel injected models were very underpowered due to emission regulations. Any advise would be much appreciated. Thanks, Bill
     
  2. dakharris

    dakharris Two Time F1 World Champ
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    With a budget of $35,000, I would go for a 1985 308 QV. You should be able to get a nice one with all of its tools, etc. and full history. A 328 in that price range will be worn out instead of in and have deficiencies.
     
  3. jimshadow

    jimshadow F1 Rookie
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    Is that $35K PLUS an extra $5-10K in reserve for maintanence issues, or is the total budget $35K?????
    If you've done your research, then you know that these are 2 completely different scenarios, as in the difference between an 80GTSi and an 84/85 QV....

    JIM
     
  4. Newman

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    Get a carbed 308GTB, best sound and power.
     
  5. firedude308QV

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    I want to spend $35000 on the car with around $7500 for repairs/maintenance. I am trying to narrow the year and model down. Is around 1985 realisitic? I know I want a convert or targa top here in Florida. How reliable are the early fuel injected cars? I have read several different post for days now. I know everyone has their own opinion, but all is usefull and appreciated.
     
  6. irondogmike

    irondogmike Formula 3

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    I'm very happy with my 85qv,I'm saving for a 77-78 now,so I'll have both of two worlds
     
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  8. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

    Dr Tommy Cosgrove Two Time F1 World Champ
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    You aren't goimg to find a 328 for 35K so I would simply scratch that off my list for good. All injected 308's are ultra-reliable if maintained properly AND DRIVEN. My 84 has over 100,000 miles on it and it has had one or two things done to it but nothing that any car that is 23 years old wouldn't need anyway.

    35K is really going to keep you out of the QV's also. 80-82 308's are just as good and below 60-70 mph you will not tell any real difference. Top speed is the same (who goes there anyway?) and 0-60 is no different, depending on who is driving and how bad you want to be on your clutch. It's the 60-100 that sets the QV's apart from the 2V's but even that isn't saying much. My mother's cadillac will smoke my QV to 100 so I'm not even bragging about that point.

    For 35K you can most likely find a nice 2V injected 308 and if you really want one, you will be happy with that car. The injection system is dependable and so basic that it is shared with the 77 VW Rabbit. I have put about 300K on Bosch K Jetronics over 22 years among 5 different cars (I still have all of them) and I have never had a single fuel system problem. Ever.

    Good luck and let us know what you come up with for yourself.
     
  9. Big red

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    i think you are alittle low for 35K for a car that can run right out of the gate. You may have to spend some coin early on depending on your driving habbits or application on this car.

    Personally, i would suggest buy the best you can afford and find....if you cant make that budget, then wait and save more for a better car. If you get into a car too cheap, it most likely will cost you alot more by the time your done if you would have just bought better upfront. No such thing as a free ride.

    My advice would be, see 3 cars that are listed at 40K and then compare everything, interior, paint, service, and quality of the car all around. It will give you a good idea of what to expect. But please, go see these cars in person with someone that has an eye for these cars, dont look at pics from 10 feet away to help you decide.

    Good luck !

    PS....Welcome to Fchat !!
     
  10. Paul308

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    Keep looking for a well cared for 84-85 QV. It will be worth the extra money and you'll be happiest with one of those. I have an 85 and love it to death. I personally would still avoid the 80-82 cars but any 308 would be fun. My first choice would be the 84-85 QV, then perhaps an 83 QV, then a 78-79 GTS. I'm a sucker for the targas. :)

    Paul
     
  11. hank sound

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    There's a GTSi "looker" at the top of the V8 section in our own FerrariAds.
     
  12. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

    Dr Tommy Cosgrove Two Time F1 World Champ
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    If nothing else, always remember - if you can't afford a good Ferrari, you REALLY can't afford a bad one.
     
  13. Jbryant

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    This is a fact...

    I love my 1981 308GTSi and it has been a real blast to drive. For $35,000 you should be able to get a 80-82 car in fantastic shape.
     
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  15. irondogmike

    irondogmike Formula 3

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    I agree with paul308,I've waited for a year or two for a 85qv and found mine five weeks ago,believe it or not for less than 37k, and its got new interior,paint and had the belts(maj)done 9k miles ago or three years ago so if your paitent,look ever day and stick to what you want you'll, find that car its out there for what you want to spend so I disgree with what dr tommy says about you not getting in to a qv,money is tight and the rich are letting go of their toys so you can enjoy them, thats just my thoughts
     
  16. Hessian

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    I think ~35K is enough for a good QV if the OP is OK with "high" mileage. Heck, I almost bought an '85 QV in this price range (and I'm still not convinced that the market for good drivers has moved that much in a year), but it was scooped out from under by a buyer who made a hard offer with no PPI (I told the seller he should take it, because I would demand a PPI). For what it's worth, I then decided to take the advice offered here and elsewhere to spend a bit more up front and bought a 328 for a bit more.
     
  17. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

    Dr Tommy Cosgrove Two Time F1 World Champ
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    When I bought my 84 308 ten years ago it had 57,000 miles.

    DO NOT pay "extra" for one that has 14,000 showing.
     
  18. greg328

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    Agreed 1000%!

    :)

    Greg

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  19. Artvonne

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    Originally Posted by Newman
    Get a carbed 308GTB, best sound and power.

    Ditto

    Paul

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  20. Bruce McKinney

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    Firedude....

    I will go along with the general concensus on the 328. With a budget of $35K you will be searching a long long long time to find a decent car without issues in that price range - so you can scratch it off your list.

    You should be able to find a decent QV in that price range. However, the best "bang for your buck" will be a 2V 308. Since these cars have always received a bad rap for being "underpowered", their selling price will usually reflect this and will be a bit cheaper. However, I guess you have to ask yourself is the "extra bit of HP" that you will get out of a carbed car or QV worth the extra money you will have to spend.

    I own an 81 2V and could not be happier. I purchased it 10 years ago for $23K. Cosemetically it was stunning. It needed some engine work because of previous owners neglect - but actually ran really well even with a split exhaust valve #4. I have brought this car back to be mechanically sound. It had 56K miles on it when I bought it and am just about to turn 100K on the car. I have NEVER had any fuel injection issues and, in fact, the car has never left me stranded. The only two times it had to be flat bedded to my mechanic, she decided to break down in my driveway (I guess she likes me too). Both times were cooling related issues - broken hose and the second was a stuck thermostat.

    Don't discount a 2V car should a nice one come along. In fact, I think your inventory of really well documented 2V 308's will be a bit stronger than a QV or carbed car in your budget range. I think you will find after a test drive these cars are not the "pigs" that many people make them out to be.

    What ever you decide on, get a PPI on the car and the owner should be able to hand you a boat load of maintenance receipts. Do NOT pay extra for a "low milage" car as the odometers are too easy to roll back on these cars. Check the maintenance receipts for consistancy. I would HIGHLY recommend buying a car from a private party as you will (more than likely) be buying from an F-car enthusiast.

    Good Luck
     
  21. irondogmike

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    I agree with you on that tommy,my car had 52k and I wanted to be sure it was a driver and had services along the way when they were due,a low mileage car would be scary,these cars are ment to be driven,and well cared for,and stay away from low miles but have worn out seats,why?did they just get behind the wheel everyday in the garage and never drove it
     
  22. firedude308QV

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    Thanks for all the great feedback. I realize you either pay alittle more up front or alot more later. So it appears I am in the ballpark for a 308 around $35000. The only thing I really want is a GTS model. Alos, a QV would be my first choice. Where are the best places to find a quality car? Ebay is not my first choice. Thanks again for the info.
     
  23. irondogmike

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    I thought the same thing about e-bay,but I found mine on e-bay,they were taking offers only,not bidding,for six weeks I worked with the owner,the thing was he was only 30 min. from me so I went to look at it many times and got a ppi then worked on the offers again,red wasn't my first color but was told here on ferrari-chat it will sell faster if and when I'm ready to sell,I don't think thats going to be anytime soon,having to much fun with and driving it,good luck!
     
  24. MREUS

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    +1
    I found mine on eBay too. And of course I got a PPI done BEFORE I bought it:)
     
  25. Ackmann

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    Ron Tonkin Ferrari has a nice 1982 GTSi. I'm shopping for one as well and if I was ready to pull the trigger I wouldn't be telling you about this one. (new house under construction). Anyways, Ron Tonkin is a very reputable Ferrari dealer. They just did the MAjor Belt and Valve adjust on this one. Saw it a few days ago when I stopped by to by some toys for my son at Christmas. They currently have it listed on EBAY but they also told me they were asking 34K (us) when I was there. Seriously, I plan on buying something in next 6 months and that car was in condition, miles and comfort in service history that I will be requiring. I still wonder what showing up with 30K cash would do. Oh well, cant mess with my finances until house is done.

    Good Luck

    FYI: Tonkin (877) 840-7088
     
  26. Bruce McKinney

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    If you look into the 82 at Tonkin, talk to Greg. VERY straight-up guy. He owned an 81 or 82 308 himself for a while and only recently moved on to a 355.
     
  27. desire308

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    I think you are right where you should be for a well maintained QV and you have the right repair/maint. budget. Mine is lower but I plan to do most work myself or bring it to someone I know in the area that will work on it honestly ;) At your budget I would think you could land a decent euro if you take your time.
     
  28. desire308

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    That's a nice clean car. Good for someone that wants to drive it away.
     
  29. irondogmike

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    ackmann,won't it be funny if you drove over there with 30k and you came home driving the ferrari,and to see what the wife would say,lets us know,go find out,we know you want that car,you said you drove by many times,it'll be a nice addition to the new house....lol
     
  30. Ackmann

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    Wife Would just shake her head. Grab the Debit card and go shopping. That car will cost me more than 30K when I pull the trigger. I should be able to by mid-late summer. That one will be gone but there will be others.
     
  31. irondogmike

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    I can relate,now that I got my car 5 weeks ago she then thought it was alot of money for a car,she's out there today shopping with the check book
     
  32. MREUS

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  34. hank sound

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    Hey guys,

    Has anyone looked at the yellow GTSi in our own FerrariAds? For an asking price of under 29k, I believe it is the real deal.

    Cheers, Hank
     
  35. VTChris

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    that car has Stickchic written all over it :)
     
  36. StickChic

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  37. StickChic

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    How did you know she loves yellow cars?

    I know how you know!!!!
     
  38. StickChic

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    Thank you so very much............ I have been entertained now for almost 1 hour!!!!!
    The best and most comprehensive list of for sale I have ever seen, and I've been looking for a while.......Hope to find it soon. Thanks again!
     
  39. irondogmike

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    I have more,later today I'll put more up,the wife says I need to get more x-mas lights up while its still daylight,it took about three years to find most of these,I still have about twenty to post,but it is entertaining though,good luck
     
  40. irondogmike

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  41. StickChic

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    Thanks Buddy!
     
  42. GatorFL

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    +1...It looks like a nice 308.
     
  43. firedude308QV

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    I have the opportunity to buy a 85 308 GTSQV with 45234 miles. All service recrods since 1993. I even met the mechanic who has worked on the car. He is asking $42000. Sounds good ,what about you guys?

    Bill
     
  44. irondogmike

    irondogmike Formula 3

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    whats the rest of the car look like,interior,paint,and befor you do anything get a PPI then drive it,go home think about,and see what your heart says,and what state are you in that could make a difference
     
  45. firedude308QV

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    The paint is original. I even spoke with mechanic who has worked on it since 1993. It just has an engine out major service and valve cover gasket change. He seems pretty firm on $42000. There will be others if this does not work out.

    Bill
     
  46. irondogmike

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    thats right there well be others, thats the way to think,you don't want to be caught up in just one car,I paid less than the car your looking at just 6 weeks ago,so keep shopping
     
  47. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    Probably can't go less. He has to pay for the labor to take the engine out when he didn't have to.

    Sorry, I forgot, it's "easier" to work on if it's out...
     
  48. irondogmike

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    lol..lol........lol
     
  49. firedude308QV

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    Boy is it hard balancing the emotional and rational side when you see such a beautiful car.
     
  50. irondogmike

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    then get a outside ppi done find something thats missing or something of maintance thats it going to need in the future so you have some leavage on the price but 42k is high but we all want our 308's to be worth more than what we paid for it,right? I know that when I'm ready to sell I'm going to..........lol
     

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