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    What worked really well was these wool abrasive brushes I had for the dremell. Unfortunately I ran out of them half way through cleaning. So ordered some from amazon.
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    I found a fine wire brush for the die grinder and that worked really well. Unfortunately my air compressor doesn't do that well with "constant" air so this was very stop start. As you can see it really made it shine ! Still need the dremell for the harder to get areas.
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    Behind the plate with the four nuts is another bearing and seal. Decided yesterday to have a go at getting this apart. Suspect the seal is leaking and "whilst you are there" might as well change the bearing.
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    I thought it would be good to remove the fork and assembly so I undid these two nuts. However couldn't figure out how to proceed from there so did them back up again.
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    Didn't know if the gear in the other side needed to come off to replace the bearing but for the price of a ring nut thought I'd give it a go. First you have to tap out the bent metal
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    This is pretty much as far as a got. I couldn't get the gear off as my puller was too "fat" to grab it.

    I took these 4 nuts off but the plate didn't come off. This plate is silicone'd down and I think the previous owner went a bit nuts with the amount as there was a lot seeping out the edge. So the plate is stuck fast and no amount of pulling will get it off.

    I thought you might be able to tap it out from the other side but can't get the gear off.

    There is a small hole in the plate. Not sure it's purpose. But one thought was to put in a hook and try to pull but I was afraid that the hook might snap inside.

    So I stopped pending further research. If anyone has a good idea let me know !
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    Hey Jason,
    Did you use any solvent when cleaning up the bell housing with the wire brush? I read somewhere that Verrel suggested mineral spirits mixed with gunk concentrate, but I have not been able to find the gunk concentrate... and the reviews are mixed on simple green. Maybe just mineral spirits and brake cleaner (and the wire brush)? Thanks!
     
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    Found the gunk concentrate, amazon is pretty sweet, I had been looking at the auto parts store prior...

    Still curious as to what worked well for you
     
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    Tap the end of the shaft but use some wood or other soft material to protect the shaft end from deforming- i.e. the end that engages in the spigot bearing this will probably drop the shaft and gear out.
     
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    Hi Jeff,

    To clean up the housing I used mineral spirits and anti freeze. (this is old antifreeze that I drained from the car). Not convinced there is any science behind the use of anti freeze but it does seem to cut through the crud. After most of the crud is off, I then used the spirits. I have tried Simple Green, and other degreasers, but none of them seems to do that great a job.

    What really worked well was the dremel with these attachments. I just took delivery of a bunch more of these so will be having another go this weekend.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HFO5FDQ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    What also worked well was the fine wire brush on the air tool. As I said, unfortunately my compressor isn’t very good at constant use, so the air tool was frustrating to use. However the steel brush did “scratch” the surface enough to bring up some kind of shine. The texture of the bellhousing isn’t the same as, say, the cam covers. I’m not sure what the technical name is, but the cam covers you can get to shine with a rag, whereas the housing is not “polished” and hence a rag wouldn’t make it shine, but the wire brush seemed to do it.

    My plan for next time will be, go over everything with the dremmel tool. Then go over it again with the air tool and some mothers milk. If you look at the pic in post 867 it really does look pretty shiny !

    Hi Simon,

    Thanks for chiming in. The key question is which way does the shaft, and the bearing come out of the housing. Does it come out from the back (i.e. inside the bell housing) or the front. From looking at the parts diagram it seems that both the shaft and bearing have a lip which implies that it only comes out one way. I suspect that it comes out from the inside, and hence you would take off the gear and then tap out the shaft from the front. If that is the case then hopefully the bearing will come out also, and tapping will also break the silicone bond that’s holding down the plate.

    My other thought, was to try and put a screw or other slide hammer type attachment through the little hole in the plate, and I might be able to slide hammer it loose. Not sure what the purpose of that little hole is, so I was reluctant to damage it.

    Any thoughts on either which way the shaft / bearing comes out, or purpose of hole would be most helpful. I’ve search this site and can’t find any information.

    I’ve ordered a variety of pullers from Amazon. Hopefully they will arrive before the weekend and I can have another go at getting the gear off. If I can get that off, I can at least see what’s going on behind it.
     
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    Sorry I got it the wrong way round, shaft comes out gearbox end, I think when I took out I undid the 4 nuts on the retaining plate and tapped from the gear end and all came apart.
     
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    Made some surprising progress this past weekend given the short amount of time I worked on the car.

    Many thanks to Simon I got the gear and shaft out of the bell housing. Pictures follow.

    Firstly I was pondering how to get out the roller bearings for the middle gear. I'm sure this isn't news to anyone but me, but I found these interesting pullers on amazon.

    You find a puller which will fit through the bearing. Then you tighten down the nut on the end, which expands the circular bit at the front. This grabs the back of the bearing. Then you pull !
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