500 Superfast, the Royal Ferrari

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  1. michael platzer

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    I have seen 6673SF seen at the Maranello Rosso Collection in 2002 painted in dark red.
     
  2. Marcel Massini

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    6673 SF was tax traded to Maranello Rosso Collection in June 1994 (when their 330 LMB #4381 SA went to England). In 2002 the Superfast went back to England.

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  3. SCantera

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    Marcel,

    Would there be any chance you would have a record of the 3 Superfasts that were originally acquired by the Dupont family? Somewhere my family has a picture from the 60's of the 3 cars together. Wish I could find it. I believe two of the cars had the Dupont name and one was Jerry Riegal also in the Dupont family.

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  4. carvad

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    I really can’t find answer to the next question.

    According to many sources 500 Superfast in RHD version was launched at the 1964 London Motor Show. It was s/n 6345 SF, the first RHD car. But how it may be if 6345 SF was entered Pininfarina 1 July 1964 and completed 1 October 1965? Or maybe RHD version was launched at the 1965 show and photos from Boudewijn’s post (#20) was taken there?

    At this case at what motor show was taken image from John’s post (#13)? In 1966? And what s/n for this car? 6679 SF?

    Marcel, may I kindly ask you clarify this point in 500 Superfast history? Thank you in advance.
     
  5. Mark Shannon

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    I have copies documents from Maranello Concessionaires which confirm that 6345 was the 64 Show car. The completion date must be a mistake. The records I have also confirm the date of first registration to be 1 November 64.

    These same records also confirm that 6679 was first registered on 4 November 1965.

    Mark Shannon

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  6. Boudewijn

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    #106 Boudewijn, Feb 13, 2012
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    The Earls Court London Motor Show in 1964 was from October 21 till 31, so could be. The completion date was October 1 1964!
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  8. johnei

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  9. michael platzer

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    correct!
     
  10. Sig. Roma

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    Back in June 1966, I was visiting Maranello, and the first car I saw was a black 500 Superfast going to Saudi Arabia. It was destined for the Saudi royal family (from memory). Anyone know what happened to the car? It had a beige interior.
     
  11. kare

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    #110 kare, Feb 14, 2012
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    Must have been 6305SF destined new to Guido Monzino in Milano. It was the only one painted black and yes, it came with tan (or beige) interior.
     
  12. Marcel Massini

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    #111 Marcel Massini, Feb 14, 2012
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    Not 6305 SF, which was sold new on the 17th July 1965 to Guido Monzino (not in Milano but in Teolo, in the Province of Padova, Veneto region) and then had three subsequent ITALIAN owners until mid-1971. I have all the Italian registration paperwork from day one to mid-1971.

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    #112 dgrperformance, Feb 14, 2012
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    6303

    also Waterman still has 2 that he has had for many years, I think one is 8299 in silver with red interior and the one was red but did not get serial.
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  15. kare

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    I have hard time believing it would have been something else. Maybe in for service and somebody came up with a nice story to tell to an eventual visitor...
     
  16. Marcel Massini

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    Easily possible.

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    Thanks a lot Mark and Boudewijn! You really helped.
     
  19. Miltonian

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    R&T's report on the 1964 London Auto Show says that "...five delectable red Superfast Ferraris (and nine other ranks)..." were sold on the first day of the show.
     
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    Is 7817 D. Letterman's car?

    Regards,

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  21. Sig. Roma

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    Given the time frame, 8897 looks like it could have been the only car in Maranello in late June 1966. But this black and beige car (identical to the catalogue in 1966) was left hand drive (or so I remember) but 8897 was not in that colour scheme. Are all the chassis numbers with the Barchetta website?

    Grazie
     
  22. johnei

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    #120 johnei, Feb 16, 2012
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    Yes I believe so. An official recap of the 2010 Americana show said it was his car.

    http://www.eastparkdrive.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/2010ConcoursRecapFINAL.pdf

    Apparently it has been repainted.


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  23. donv

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    I have to say, this is a great thread! I've always loved the 500SF, especially since seeing one in person at Monterey in 1994.

    However, after reading the driving impressions in this thread, I'm not so sure I'd want to own one.
     
  24. readplays

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    It looks a darn site better than when it was resale red back in the 80's. I'm glad the current owner invested in a paint job and whatnot (I presume with Francois S, but that's neither here nor there). Looks good!
    Thanks to OP for starting this thread. :)
     
  25. 246tasman

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    #123 246tasman, Feb 18, 2012
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    I've scanned this contemporary article on the 7 UK cars.

    My father's name is mis-spelt (should be Tomkins), and he certainly didn't only use the car in the dry as stated. I'll try to dig out some of the old photos soon. The picture bottom left on page 52 shows 6345 being driven along the road about 300 yards from where I'm typing this now.

    Father loved to drive fast (it wasn't seen as so antisocial in those days) and never complained about the handing. He exercised it on the race circuit too. There was a problem with the braking system at some stage but otherwise he loved it.
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  26. GIOTTO

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    I didn't know that it was your father who lost his life in #6345... Thank you for posting more photos when he owned the Superfast.
     
  27. Sig. Roma

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    Thanks Will for sharing the story. May your dad rest in peace.
     
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    I agree-- great article. Sorry for the loss of your dad.

     
  29. Ferrari_250tdf

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    Hi Will,

    I am sorry that you father died in his Superfast.

    I can imagine that he never complained about the handling because in its day it was very good since everything else was worse. But when we drive those cars today we automatically compare them to modern cars and then we realize that the handling and the brakes are insufficient for the power.

    Best

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  30. carvad

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    Where is wooden body now? Factory museum?
     
  31. JazzyO

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    +1. Thanks for sharing.


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  32. DennisForza

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    Such an amazing exhibit from the pictures I have seen. Had my plane ticket ready to go until Saddam invaded Kuwait and got me stuck in the sand for 9 months through Desert Shield/Storm.
     
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    #131 ferrarithijs, Feb 22, 2012
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    I hope it's not a repost, but this is the 500 Superfast Speziale from Prince Bernhard of Holland, I saw it at the Louwman museum in The Hague.
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  34. Marcel Massini

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    6267 SF. Has a 4-liter 330 engine type 209.
    "Standard" 500 Superfasts have type 208.

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  35. ferrarithijs

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    realy? I didn't know that, at the website of the museum it is called a 500 Superfast Speziale.
     
  36. carvad

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    As I know ex Prince Bernhard car has no "SF" suffix in the chassis number
     
  37. Boudewijn

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    #135 Boudewijn, Feb 22, 2012
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    .
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  38. carvad

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    Boudewijn, what about image you posted in post #5?

     
  39. Boudewijn

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    #137 Boudewijn, Feb 22, 2012
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    On the 500 SF chassisplate the chassisnumber does not have a suffix. This is another example.
    Ferrari 500 Superfast #6049SF  16-20-01.jpg
     
  40. carvad

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    S/n is 500 SF 6049 or 6049 SF. But for example 33th example built has just 8459 on the chassisplate. So may be 6267 GT would be most correct for ex Prince Bernhard car?
     
  41. tomberlin

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    #139 tomberlin, Feb 22, 2012
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    1967. I believe it was JS Inskip

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    way cool, love the staggered fender mirror mountings.
     
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    #141 tomberlin, Feb 22, 2012
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    I'm not sure about the staggered mirrors- I think it's just the angle of the photo.

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  44. Marcel Massini

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    On the factory build sheets for 6267 the suffix is SA (6267 SA). Not SF and not GT.
    (SA = Superamerica = 4 liter).

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  45. Marcel Massini

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    Never trust websites or placards placed in front of a car.
    This should be it:

    Ferrari 330 Superfast Speciale 1964, Chassis No. 6267 SA.
    LHD.
    Original exterior color: Verde Pino Metallizzato Italver 20453.
    Original interior color: Naturale VM 3218 Connolly.
    Pininfarina Job No. 99592.
    11-louvered vent plates, circular Carello turn signal lamps (orange), no air conditioning, no power steering, with power windows, chromed air intake on hood.
    Special bench-type front seat, no rear seats.
    Chassis type 578.
    Special factory 4-liter 330 GT engine type 209, internal engine block no. 454, with 4 speed and overdrive.
    Gearbox type 578 Speciale, internal no. 258.
    Differential type 578, internal no. 5.

    The 13th of a total of 37 units built (36 units with 5 liter engine plus this special 4-liter car).
    Wheelbase 2'650 mm.

    6267 SA was completed at the factory on the 26 August 1964.
    HRH Prince Bernhard of The Netherlands first got it with Italian EE license plates "EE 31596" (EE = Escursionisti Esteri = Tourist).

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    #144 carvad, Feb 23, 2012
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    Mr. Massini, thank you for interesting info.

    Was the "330 Superfast Speciale" name mentioned on the factory build sheets? In other case "500 Superfast Speciale" name is correct same as the "330 Superfast Speciale" name.
     
  47. Boudewijn

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    #145 Boudewijn, Feb 23, 2012
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    Copyright unknown.
    Ferrari 500 Superfast #6267SF  08-02-01 Prince Bernhard.jpg
     
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    #147 Ferrari_250tdf, Feb 23, 2012
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    8253 SF
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  50. ferrarithijs

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    Thanks Marcel for sharing this information!
     
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