Alfa Romeo Giulia

Discussion in 'Other Italian' started by TheMayor, Nov 19, 2015.

  1. I have started the new week 1 FerrariChat Update poll, please vote... http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/ferrarichat-com-update-week-1-poll.560487/
  1. TheMayor

    TheMayor Five Time F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Feb 11, 2008
    52,462
    Vegas baby
    I thought I would start a thread just on this car as it's finally coming to America.

    Here's the opening at the LA Auto show. Impressive statistics.

    Alfa Romeo Giulia on Livestream


    Autoblog

    Alfa Romeo Giulia is the sexiest starlet in LA

    Generally, there's a fair amount of debate about what the best-looking car at any given auto show may be. We, however, humbly submit that for the 2015 LA Auto Show, there's no point in arguing – it's the Alfa Romeo Giulia.
     
  2. Graz

    Graz Formula 3
    Silver Subscribed

    Oct 15, 2012
    1,207
    New Jersey
    Full Name:
    Thomas
    Alfa Romeo has always produced some beautiful cars. Was in Italy last week and the street of course over there is flooded with them. Hold my opinion on this new offering until I see it in person. But what a great promo for the car. Ferrari could learn a lesson from Alfa on how to debut their latest models.
     
  3. ypsilon

    ypsilon Formula 3
    Silver Subscribed

    May 4, 2008
    1,456
    Saw it live already in Frankfurt. IMO It looks ok, but somehow also a bit dated. I find the Maserati Ghibli better looking irl.

    Best part about it is the interior.
     
  4. fskof

    fskof Karting

    Nov 23, 2005
    202
    Milwaukee, Wi
    Full Name:
    Frank
    Mayor are you planning on purchasing one?
     
  5. F1tommy

    F1tommy F1 Veteran
    Silver Subscribed

    Dec 15, 2007
    5,743
    Chicago USA
    Full Name:
    Tom Tanner
    It does look dated, but still a nice looking car. I think they could have done a lot better on the front end. What's under the skin is very nice on this version I think everyone agrees. This version will take Maserati Ghibli sales away after it starts production I have no doubt.
     
  6. Graz

    Graz Formula 3
    Silver Subscribed

    Oct 15, 2012
    1,207
    New Jersey
    Full Name:
    Thomas
    I think you're right about it taking some of Maserati's steam away. I'm not loving the styling. Its a bit too flat for my taste. Alfa's typically are more sleek. Again, have to see it in person.
     
  7. Tired of seeing this ad? Upgrade now
  8. Entropy

    Entropy Formula 3
    Rossa Subscribed Owner

    Jul 10, 2008
    2,152
    our dealer picked up Alfa and I asked to be put "top of list" for the Giulia the minute it first leaked.

    Have not seen in person, but I actually like it more than the BMW's and Audi's. Of course, we have not owned a "4 door sedan" in any form for over 15 years, but this one seems like it could be fun if it ends up arriving here. I sort of think Nurburgring times are a bit of false PR, but if this car did what they quote, it has a chance as a niche car.

    Alfa (and Maserati) announced some serious delays and cutbacks a few weeks ago; Maserati sort of shutting down for 6 weeks and Alfa delaying their product launch windows by up to 6 months, so we'll see "if and when" these cars arrive, and by then hopefully it's still as promising. It will be interesting to see how long it takes Alfa to put a DCT in there, we can have the "purist" argument but the mass market probably won't buy high volumes in a manual.

    Re the Ghibli....we actually ended up with one as a loaner from our dealer for 4 days, it was a well equipped S Q4 model (high $80K MSRP). My views might be different if I were going to pay for it, but I found the car itself to be quite good, it definitely has an edge on the BMW and Audi in some respects. It has a bit of Chrysler in it (vs. good old Bavarian), but the looks grew on me and the engine more than proved itself. IF we were buying a 4-door, I'd absolutely consider it.

    The Giulia Quadrifoglio is sort of a different beast, but I can see some quick market and channel conflict between a "regular" Giulia and the Ghibli.
     
  9. Sandy Eggo

    Sandy Eggo F1 Rookie
    BANNED

    Jun 4, 2009
    3,284
    Encinitas, CA
    Full Name:
    Rick
    Hot car.

    Pretty incredible to note that it is only a tick off of the Ferrari FF 0-60 time (3.8s vs 3.7s).

    When is it due to be available in the US?
     
  10. CT Audi Fan

    CT Audi Fan Formula Junior

    Oct 23, 2011
    392
    Delayed until Q2 which likely means late summer. The car is stunning in a rugged sort of way ... The proportions are very masculine, looks tough as nails just standing still. And it has a stick! Now we'll see just how serious all these "purists" are by how many manuals they actually sell. Early reports said a dual clutch would also be available, but now I'm hearing torque converter 8-speed, basically same tranny in the new Jag SE. I've always loved Audi but they can lack passion, the new C Class looks promising but perhaps soft, and BMW has lost some mojo ... I think Jag and Alfa can make some noise in this segment.


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
     
  11. CT Audi Fan

    CT Audi Fan Formula Junior

    Oct 23, 2011
    392
    Sorry, meant Jag XE


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
     
  12. F2003-GA

    F2003-GA F1 Veteran
    Rossa Subscribed

    Nov 2, 2003
    7,458
    Florida
    Full Name:
    Jaz
    Giulia looks great - tech specs are fantastic - But how will build quality and reliability stack up ?
     
  13. classic308

    classic308 F1 Veteran

    Jan 9, 2004
    5,606
    Westchester, NY
    Full Name:
    Paul
    Yep, German cars in that segment are a dime a dozen in these parts.
     
  14. Tired of seeing this ad? Upgrade now
  15. italiancars

    italiancars Formula 3

    Apr 18, 2004
    2,324
    Hershey, PA
    That was my first thought as well, but then if you break it down not as much as you would first think. The Giulia Quad is smaller (think 3 series vs 5 series) and it is not available in AWD. RWD Ghiblis are a hard sell North of the Mason Dixon line.
     
  16. TheMayor

    TheMayor Five Time F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Feb 11, 2008
    52,462
    Vegas baby
    Give 'em credit for making a manual. But I wonder how many dealers will order it that way. Despite what Alfa says, you can't order a car. My guess is very few dealers will click the "manual" option for this car.
     
  17. dsd

    dsd F1 Rookie
    Silver Subscribed Owner

    Nov 19, 2006
    3,357
    Northern Virginia
    I haven't seen pricing? Do we want to do a pool that they will miss their target price points :)
     
  18. bobzdar

    bobzdar F1 Veteran
    Silver Subscribed

    Sep 22, 2008
    5,564
    Richmond
    Full Name:
    Pete
    The quad won't have awd but the other models should be available with it. the 2.0t could be tempting with rwd and a stick as a DD.
     
  19. philt68

    philt68 Formula Junior

    Aug 26, 2008
    953
    new york city
    i think they missed on the styling a little....i'm guessing they were thinking of the american market when they designed it, and decided to go for muscular, rather than beautiful....i miss the brera...:)
     
  20. F1tommy

    F1tommy F1 Veteran
    Silver Subscribed

    Dec 15, 2007
    5,743
    Chicago USA
    Full Name:
    Tom Tanner
    The regular N.A. Giulia starts at 40,000.00 and the V6 Turbo starts at 70,000.00 US.
     
  21. Rags747

    Rags747 Karting

    Sep 23, 2005
    226
    New York
    Full Name:
    Matt
    So you have the Giulia, the M3 and the Caddy ATS V all priced in a similar ballpark and all offered with 6 speeds. Alfa now has the Configurator online. This thing is going to look hot as hell in person.
     
  22. bobzdar

    bobzdar F1 Veteran
    Silver Subscribed

    Sep 22, 2008
    5,564
    Richmond
    Full Name:
    Pete
    I'm not aware of an n.a. Giulia, base is 2.0t with 276hp starting upper 30's afaik.
     
  23. F1tommy

    F1tommy F1 Veteran
    Silver Subscribed

    Dec 15, 2007
    5,743
    Chicago USA
    Full Name:
    Tom Tanner
    N.A. Giulia weighs around 200lbs more than Euro version according to the information released at the North American debut. The prices were also for the N.A. version in US dollars. Just like the 4C the Giulia has a N.A. version.
     
  24. bobzdar

    bobzdar F1 Veteran
    Silver Subscribed

    Sep 22, 2008
    5,564
    Richmond
    Full Name:
    Pete
    Ah, you were referring to north american, I thought you were talking naturally aspirated.
     
  25. classic308

    classic308 F1 Veteran

    Jan 9, 2004
    5,606
    Westchester, NY
    Full Name:
    Paul
    sadly there is no naturally aspirated model. would have loved a n/a v-6 singing ala the busso v6 in my Milano. Turbo 4? just one of the herd....
     
  26. NeuroBeaker

    NeuroBeaker Moderator
    Moderator

    Oct 1, 2008
    27,814
    Huntsville, AL., USA
    Full Name:
    Andrew
    Impressive launch. The stats look pretty good.

    Not entirely convinced by the styling, but maybe it'll look better in person.

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
  27. ypsilon

    ypsilon Formula 3
    Silver Subscribed

    May 4, 2008
    1,456
    That doesn't really make sense, what do the changes involve ?
     
  28. F1tommy

    F1tommy F1 Veteran
    Silver Subscribed

    Dec 15, 2007
    5,743
    Chicago USA
    Full Name:
    Tom Tanner
    Probably similar to the changes on the 4C. There are differences between European and U.S. cars you know.....Some are in the front and rear crash zones.
     
  29. TheMayor

    TheMayor Five Time F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Feb 11, 2008
    52,462
    Vegas baby

    Also additional air bags for US cars.
     
  30. ypsilon

    ypsilon Formula 3
    Silver Subscribed

    May 4, 2008
    1,456
    Don't think so. 4C is a different car due to it lightweight'ness and low production volume......

    Never heard of differences between US and EU cars based on safety measures other than sidemarkers.
     
  31. F1tommy

    F1tommy F1 Veteran
    Silver Subscribed

    Dec 15, 2007
    5,743
    Chicago USA
    Full Name:
    Tom Tanner
    Not sure what modifications they did, but if you listen to this presentation video he states the Giulia US weight of just under 3600lbs. At the European launch in Milan Alfa stated a weight of just over 3400lbs.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn6Jb_MiIbY&feature=youtu.be
     
  32. ypsilon

    ypsilon Formula 3
    Silver Subscribed

    May 4, 2008
    1,456
    Could be the diff. between EU and US legislation on how to present car weights.
     
  33. JBsZ06

    JBsZ06 Formula Junior

    Dec 6, 2003
    748
    The guilia closest competitor will be the jaguar XE.....

    Both with poor residuals so lease numbers won't be competitive to bmws so unit sales volume will be challenged.

    Reliability out of warranty makes purchasing out right instead of leasing a tough choice as well...

    Those are two issues that both jaguar and alfa will have to find a solution for if they want to successfully penetrate this segment....

    The alfa seems great but if you were leasing would you really pay more than a comparable BMW 3 series?

    Would the jaguar XE make you want to pay more per month over a three year lease than the usual 3 series?

    Tough call on any lease in this segment....

    Hopefully the guilia is so fantastic a drive that the extra cost of ownership is worth it?
     
  34. greg328

    greg328 F1 Rookie
    Silver Subscribed

    Nov 17, 2003
    3,765
    Austin, TX USA
    Full Name:
    Greg
    I'm strongly considering the Giulia as my next car. As mentioned above however, many things will factor into the decision, mostly value against the obvious competion, and overall build quality and longetivity. The latter will be hard to discern at first blush. I tend to pay off my DDs and keep them for a while.
    Greg

    Sent from my LG-H901 using Tapatalk
     
  35. Rags747

    Rags747 Karting

    Sep 23, 2005
    226
    New York
    Full Name:
    Matt
    Agreed, the leases most likely will not be competitive with the BMW and the Benz, people will have to be willing to pay up if they want the Alfa.
     
  36. fskof

    fskof Karting

    Nov 23, 2005
    202
    Milwaukee, Wi
    Full Name:
    Frank
    I'm looking at the Giulia QV to replace my Mini Cooper "S" as my next daily driver. I want a car that is exciting to drive ( unlike what BMW, Audi, M-B have turned into) and a package that is put together well. I hope this car lives up to the hype.

    The Jaguar XE is also on my list. They really have improved on quality! Many choices out there today but most new cars are lacking that intimate feeling that the past cars had.

    I can't wait for the reviews from Chris Harris and some of the other journalists on the Guilia!
     
  37. dave_fonz_164

    dave_fonz_164 Formula 3

    Mar 11, 2004
    1,645
    Montreal, Canada
    Full Name:
    Davide Giuseppe F.
    Many of my friends who are car enthusiasts and have a strong preference for German have noticed the Alfa and are super interested in that car.

    I think that in itself is a achievement.
     
  38. Thomas Magnum

    Thomas Magnum Formula 3
    Silver Subscribed Owner

    Feb 24, 2013
    1,343
    Piperton, TN
    Full Name:
    Mark
    #36 Thomas Magnum, Nov 28, 2015
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    Pics taken last night at LA Auto show. Impressed with the numbers but styling looks familiar and dated. Did they borrow the body from BMW or Lexus like Fiat did from Mazda with the new 124?
    IMG_9066.jpg
    IMG_9068.jpg
    IMG_9069.jpg
    IMG_9070.jpg
     
  39. Sfiga

    Sfiga Rookie

    Jan 23, 2014
    29
    Styling is a bit traditional but in a good way at least. It has nice lines and I think it will age well.
     
  40. dt34

    dt34 Rookie

    Aug 20, 2013
    35
    Michigan
    Seeing it in black and in grey is making me rethink buying an M2. Hope this car will be in Detroit next month.
     
  41. Mbutner

    Mbutner Formula 3

    Aug 11, 2005
    1,601
    California
    Full Name:
    Quick Draw
    I'll be trading in my BMW 3 Series on one if it drives like it appears to. I don't care about lease deals, I want to buy one outright and drive the wheels off it. I will probably wait till 2nd year of production however, since the reliability issues mentioned about Alfa are a tab bit worrisome.
     
  42. TheMayor

    TheMayor Five Time F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Feb 11, 2008
    52,462
    Vegas baby
    Looks really good in dark silver. Not digging the red. The silver pops out the curves better and the red flattens it.
     
  43. TheMayor

    TheMayor Five Time F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Feb 11, 2008
    52,462
    Vegas baby

    Funny I'm thinking the same thing. Mini took all the life out of the latest one. I'm sure they will sell more but its just not as much fun as the first one. The turbo engine is really boring. It has ample power for it's size but there's no emotion.

    From what I can see from the brochure all the Guilia Quadrafolios are with a 6 speed manual, which would be shocking. At least the dealer can't order automatics. Maybe that's the point.
     
  44. fskof

    fskof Karting

    Nov 23, 2005
    202
    Milwaukee, Wi
    Full Name:
    Frank
    I agree with you 100% I have a 2005 that I have had since new and every generation after that got bigger, heavier and less fun to drive.

    I really hope the Guilia lives up to the hype. I need a new daily driver and I just don't want another BMW.

    I can't wait for the test reviews!
     
  45. fskof

    fskof Karting

    Nov 23, 2005
    202
    Milwaukee, Wi
    Full Name:
    Frank
    The latest Car Magazine has a article about the Giulia
     
  46. greg328

    greg328 F1 Rookie
    Silver Subscribed

    Nov 17, 2003
    3,765
    Austin, TX USA
    Full Name:
    Greg
    Cool, I'll check it out thanks

    Sent from my LG-H901 using Tapatalk
     
  47. ferraripete

    ferraripete F1 World Champ

    Nov 5, 2003
    11,214
    san diego/charlotte
    Full Name:
    peter brinzey
    when will we get to see this car? I am holding off on a 4 door replacement to my bmw.
     
  48. ttforcefed

    ttforcefed F1 Veteran
    Rossa Subscribed

    Aug 22, 2002
    6,820
    looks just like a bimmer
     
  49. TheMayor

    TheMayor Five Time F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Feb 11, 2008
    52,462
    Vegas baby
    The Quadrofolio's (the expensive ones with 505 HP) are coming the middle of next year. I think the regular ones a few months later.

    In typical Alfa fashion, no one really knows. It was supposed to be early next year but that date was moved.
     
  50. ferraripete

    ferraripete F1 World Champ

    Nov 5, 2003
    11,214
    san diego/charlotte
    Full Name:
    peter brinzey
    Bob,

    Do you have rough order of magnitude pricing on the 505 hp version?
     
  51. TheMayor

    TheMayor Five Time F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Feb 11, 2008
    52,462
    Vegas baby
    Yes. About 75K. They are fully loaded (including shields --LOL!). Manual only. Only available in 3 colors I believe.

    Seems to be super quick. The motor will be in the new Dino but probably pumped to like 550 HP.

    The "normal" cars will be very similar to the 3 series prices 45-65 K. I think delivery of those is Fall 2016. Look for them in Fiat and Maserati "stand alone" dealers. Ferrari dealers will not be selling them.

    Some dealers had early 4c's way over MSRP but that dropped pretty quickly. Most 4c's were sold at MSRP and I'm guessing it will be the same with the QF Guilia.
     
  52. velocetwo

    velocetwo F1 World Champ

    Dec 11, 2006
    12,437
    Left Coast
    Great stats very impressive. I expected more on the styling but it looks alot better than that 4 door Porsche..


    Hmmm ... maybe a Zagato version???
     

Share This Page