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Aviation Incidents from Kathryn's Report

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  1. Juan-Manuel Fantango

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  2. donv

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    He'd fit right in to the South Florida charter community.
     
  3. technom3

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    I am a complete amatuer but... I live here in scottsdale and am in a hangar on a taxi way at this airport etc... and I have heard it is the busiest or 2nd businest GA for years... no way thats true... Deer Valley which is about 2 miles north and 8 miles west is SIGNIFICANTLY busier...

    Now if it was was the busiest Single runway GA in the country or 2nd busiest I could believe it... but... we might as well say Im the best looking guy in the world who is my height weight, exact age to the millisecond, has the same amount of freckles, scars, teeth, hair follicles and eye color...


    Glad everyone is alright. Unfortunate incident but luckily everyone is alright!
     
  4. arizonaitalian

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    Yeah, I live in scottsdale, that airport is pretty darn quiet. Sometimes several tens of minutes between takeoffs and landings. I'd be shocked if it was truly the 2nd busiest GA airport.
     
  5. lear60man

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    Crap happens. It sounds like the pilots followed the checklist so they are in the clear.
     
  6. WJGESQ

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    I believe it's a 1500fpm decent rate too.
     
  7. Fave

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    I've seen negative feedback regarding these planes. Being a layman in this world why don't other manufacturers use his technology for small planes? It seems to save lives.
    If I was to be in the market to buy a plane a parachute would be a good selling point I would think. Or am I missing something ?
     
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    And, that's really all it is; a selling point. Other companies do use chutes, BTW.



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  9. Fave

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    Oh didn't know others did.
     
  10. Tcar

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    I've heard of a (very) few Cessnas with BRS, but not any others to speak of.

    Many would argue that it's not just a selling point. The Cirrus fatality rate per mile is very low.
     
  11. Juan-Manuel Fantango

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    "Experience is the comb nature gives you after you are bald" is something my adopted grandmother had written down. Too bad things often are learned the hard way, when it's too late for those lives that are lost.

    From the article:

    Kathryn's Report: Deadly plane crash changed families, safety rules: Beechcraft 95-B55 Baron, Tann Company, N6127V (and) Douglas DC-9-15, Trans World Airlines (TWA), N1063T; fatal accident occurred March 09, 1967 in Urbana, Champaign County, Ohio

    The most immediate result was a rule issued in December the year of the crash that limited the speed of aircraft flying below 10,000 feet. The NTSB’s final report concluded that it would have been difficult for the TWA flight crew to see the smaller plane at the speed the DC-9 was traveling.

    At the time, the air traffic control system also wasn’t designed to separate controlled aircraft, like the DC-9 jet, and a small, uncontrolled plane like the Beechcraft, Bednarek said. Air traffic control never issued a warning to the DC-9 until seconds before the planes collided.

    The Urbana crash wasn’t the only mid-air tragedy that year, Bednarek said. On June 19, 1967, a Piedmont 727 collided with a Cessna 310 near Hendersonville, N.C., killing 82 people.

    Those two incidents resulted in Congressional hearings on aviation safety that became caught up in ongoing struggles over how to pay for the U.S. air traffic control system, she said, as well as what role airports should play in the air traffic control system.

    In 1969, the NTSB convened a hearing to determine how to prevent mid-air collisions. About a year later the agency recommended new procedures that included the development of Collision Avoidance Systems for commercial aircraft and larger general aviation aircraft.

    The NTSB also recommended the development of Pilot Warning Systems, Bednarek said.
     
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    Two survivors, good news.
     
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    They say water landing like that is news. Um, isn't that the idea with an amphib?
     
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    Small airplane/hull like that is probably not much good in rough water of any sort. Even the water in the picture shown in the link would feel rough.
     
  15. Jet-X

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    Icon (facebook page) threw pilots under the bus declaring pilot error.
     
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    #68 Juan-Manuel Fantango, Apr 13, 2017
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    I'm wondering if someone knew him. Kathryn's Report puts the lives lost in focus, providing the human element. I don't know why I read these except to try and learn. It seems to always be about weather, bad decisions, pilot error, and tragic consequences. You hope that the pilots your hire keep you safe and get you there. Not in this case.

    Kathryn's Report: Piper PA-46-310P Malibu, Park City Aviation, N123SB: Fatal accident occurred April 07, 2017 near Mahlon Sweet Field Airport (KEUG), Harrisburg, Linn County, Oregon
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  18. donv

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    It was a nasty day-- I'm glad I wasn't flying.
     
  19. Ney

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    Yes.

    Here is the statement ICON Aircraft CEO Kirk Hawkins sent to our customers about today’s accident:
    “It is with great sadness that I write this. Earlier today, two ICON Employees were killed in an A5 accident while flying at Lake Berryessa, CA. We have no details on the cause of the accident right now and the names of the victims have not been released publicly. The NTSB and FAA have been notified and ICON will be working closely with them to fully support their investigation.
    This was a devastating personal loss for many of us. Once arrangements have been made with all the families involved we will let you know more. Please hold your calls and requests for a brief period while we work through this tragic event with the family members and employees. The thoughts and prayers of our entire organization are with the families of both people onboard, they were both truly amazing individuals.”
     
  20. southnc

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    Very sad to see this, and it appeared to involve experience pilots. RIP.

    I just don't see how Icon can recover from this, the earlier submerged accident, ever increasing prices, complex agreements. And that doesn't include trying to catch the highly successful Searey (700+ flying); and up & coming Seamax and Super Petrel. These aircraft breezed through certification and are priced much lower.
     
  21. pilot_rick

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    So the internet thinks he hit a power line. I bet Icon can survive this. Cirrus had their test pilot killed due to a design flaw.
     
  22. juliei

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    I believe that Icon can survive this, but it is certainly tragic.
     
  23. NürScud

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    Devastated news. All the 5 pilots who died, were company's experienced test pilots. A solution must be found...fast.
     

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