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Brand of ferrari paint? Please help an absolute novice

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  1. KILOCHARLIE

    KILOCHARLIE Formula Junior

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    My Grigio Alloy 360 needs some paint resprayed as I'm getting fed up of some stone chips and very minor scuffs. My local paint shop which is highly rated say the colour is produced by two suppliers and one of those (ICI) has two variants, all with the same code. All look very similar but vary slightly between the silver and blue mix. Is this right or should the paint come from a particular source such as ferrari direct and either way have no variants etc, just one option?
     
  2. Dave rocks

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    The 360 should be PPG base clear. The color code sticker is on your car. It's going to need to be color matched to get it exact and the shop will likely blend the base and clear to a panel edge. That is probably one of the more difficult colors to match..
     
  3. KILOCHARLIE

    KILOCHARLIE Formula Junior

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    Thanks but I'm such a novice with paint I have no idea what that means!

    Is ppg the manufacturer?
    The shop used my sticker to obtain the three options
    When you say colour matched does that mean use a machine on the car to check the current paint? The shop requested three test patches of the different variants but none are exactly the same as whats on the car now.
    The shop said it was very hard to match also but said it would be better to blow it in rather than to go edge to edge. I'm unsure what you mean by blend the base and clear.

    Grateful for any advice. Thanks
     
  4. Dave rocks

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    PPG is the manufacture. "Blow it in" means blend the base (color). But I guarantee they will apply the clear to a body line.

    Variants are common. They can computer match and fine tune by eye doing spay outs (test panels)
     
  5. KILOCHARLIE

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    So I should tell my shop to contact PPG?
    The car has had paint by a previous owner and I'm worried about degradation since the car is 17 years old. Is a spray out best? The only parts of the car I can be sure haven't been touched are the roof or the headlights (under the glass covering). How can I get that matched?

    Grateful for any advice, the car is at the shop now awaiting my advice.
     
  6. KILOCHARLIE

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    Furthermore, the paints which the shop uses (as mentioned in my original post), are Max Meyer and ICI. None look Grigio Alloy as accurately as I want.
     
  7. Dave rocks

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    Your body shop should know these things...if they don't, not sure you have the right shop.
     
  8. azfast1

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    If the car has had previous paintwork then it really doesn't matter what brand the shop uses unless you know what brand the previous shop used. Grigio is a pretty easy color to blend so I doubt the shop will have any problem if they are good as you say they are supposed to be.It is common to do a spray out of both variances and use or tint the closest one to match. Good luck!
     
  9. smg2

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    PPG acquired ICI nearly 20yrs ago. Just about any good paint & body shop should have zero issues with matching the color, if they do and can not fully explain why, then I'd go elsewhere. A good paint 'guy' will blend to match the color and not rely solely on what's in the can, from what I recall anyway colors are mixed as needed per color code, as in the paint supplier will mix on order or the paint shop will mix on site, the mfg does not sell the color already in the can.
     
  10. SoCal1

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    Ici Belco Dulux if you look back when I was painting :)
     
  11. mike01606

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    Sort of and to help the OP with the manufacturer confusion......ICI no longer exists (I'm an ex-employee). It is now only a trade name belonging to Akzo Nobel (so much for the UK's largest exporter in the 1980's, but that's another story).

    To cut a long story short, ICI bought Glidden paints many years ago, What's left of ICI was bought by Akzo Nobel about 10 years ago, who then sold Glidden to the PPG group a few years back. MaxMeyer are also owned by PPG, so both paints are probably the same/very similar.

    My cars Argento Nurburgring and also 17 years old. When I discussed having my bumper painted the specialist said they use a colour matched base coat then different lacquers to account for the ageing hence it has to be done with the car present (I wanted to drop my bumper off).
    Grigio Alloy as with any metallic will take a lot of matching to get perfect. How bad is it? I'd consider a full repaint if it is many areas on the car if you want to be happy with it.
     
  12. smg2

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    I had a M3 20yrs ago in Ti Silver that some idiot scratched the front fender, due to the metallic nature of the paint the shop had to paint the entire side of the car... since then I've avoided metallic paint jobs. getting the flake to lay down at the right angle and match the reflective angle of the adjacent paint is a real PITA and what causes the color to shift to be just off.

    One of the defense contracting firms I worked for was constantly hounded by ICI to spec their products, we had lots of ICI funded lunches! got a couple Igloo coolers as well. It's amazing the lobbying effort that companies go to get gov contracts. Las Vegas was -redacted- :eek::D:D
     

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