Chassis 1C/10S Updated Information

Interesting Stu. I guess that the notch for the hand crank lived on which then means that it can't really be used to date 10S.

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Stuart,
thank you for posting the pic.
0150A was/is the 340 America Ghia Coupe that was delivered 1951/1952 to Tony Parravano..

regards
Ivo

 

i started again to read this thread..and the first part of post no.45 is interesting.
Why Stanley Nowak was interested on the chassis?

John,does your father remember when Nowak started to be intersted on the chassis and perhaps he,Nowak, mentioned the reason why he want the chassis ?

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ivo

 

I will give my answer to that last question, 'though not addressed to me. Stan Nowak seemed to be on a life-mission to seek out and unravel the mysteries of the very early cars. His interest, I think, was as an author and researcher as well as a broker whose (few) clients included others who were fascinated by such stuff. While a few of us had "serial number books" that we tried to keep up-to-date, using info gleaned by Jess Pourret from the factory records and other sources, Stan went 'way beyond the rest of us when it came to the truly early cars. I wish he were around today, as I'm sure that a lot of his efforts died with him.

 

+1
Nathan

 

+2. Stan was a friend. I helped him place one of his Masers in a Film. When I bought my Lola he gave me a book about Lola's and signed it. He had a deep passion and that passion lives on in 002C.

 

Since Stan Nowak's stories on the earliest cars sequence and history have been mentioned maybe this is relevant. These are from Cavallino volume 1, number 1.

Jeff
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Again, Cavallino volume 1, issue 1.

John: Would the publicagtion of this article in late 1978 have any correlation to Stan trying to acquire the car from your dad?

Jeff
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When Fusi's book on Alfa Romo came out, everyone considered it to be the bible. In ther last 30+ years, so many errors have been found as to render Fusi's book of minimal worth. Such is the case with this article. The first major error is when it is said that a cycle fendered car was the first victorious Ferrari, on May 25th, 1947 (last paragraph of the first page). I praise Nowak's attempts, but like with Alfa, a lot has been learned in the last 30 years....

 

First of all - fascinating story here. I am truly enjoying it. I hold out hope, as I believe many others here do, that this car will end up being more than just "the ultimate Bitsa" as Jim mentioned early on. I can't wait till the chapter of the story when that chassis stamping is uncovered. I won't even be let down if it isn't what some assume it could be as this has been an enjoyable journey to observe and thanks to everyone for all the contributions of knowledge up to this point.

I read through the scans earlier in the evening and also noted the comments about 0016M and the Motto body. I took the liberty of searching the forum here for other mentions of that car and didn't find much. There were a few posts here from Marcel Massini in his thread on 0052M (as before the chassis number was revealed, some were speculating that it could be that car) which I will quote here.

And a follow up question and answer:

Marcel doesn't usually twist words, do a lot of speculating, or ever seem to get his facts wrong from what I have seen of his past participation here. The way I read his reply, he seems to know with some certainty the whereabouts of 0016M. Perhaps I am reading too far into his comments?

I know he's recently returned to F-Chat with a few posts here and there, though none in this thread yet. Hopefully he'll find time to comment here, either to expand on what he knows of 0016M and eliminate it from the possiblities or offer his perception on what exactly 01C/10S might be.

For now, myself and others will keep watching.

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ER

 

John,
Maybe he had only recently heard about your father's car at that point, and hadn't got the full story about when the body was fitted.
Do you know when he first approached your father?
I see that 0016M on barchetta is said to be in a museum in Buenos Aires, and seems to have stayed in Argentina all the time.
Also do you have any photos of 1C/10S being raced by your father?

I notice that Stan refers to the first three cars as 1C, 2C, & 3C. Maybe that's where Godfrey Eaton got his information.

 

This is the car Nuvolari drove at Forli on July 6th, 1947. Nowak seems to think it was the first car built. I think it is the second..

http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2ndferraritg9.jpg

 

Me too.

 

You dont think that the two first cars were built in the same time ?
For Piacenza,two cars were available.

 

John,

I am suspecting that the time between putting a magazine "to bed" and getting them in the hands of the subscribers would have been about 3 months. That would have been approximately the correct time back then. How long was Stan Nowak working on the article before that? Since this was the first issue of Cavallino the gestation period of how long Stan worked on the article (and all the research specifically for the article) and the production of putting the first issue together could have been much longer. Chuck Queener may be able to shed some light onto this; I'll try contacting him for any recollections.

Anyway, it would be interesting to see if there was a correlation of Stan Nowak contacting your dad while working on the article.

Jeff

 

I don't think we know for certain exactly when the first two cars were built, but both were completed before the Piacenza race on May 11th, 1947. Both cars appeared, but only the barchetta raced, driven by Cortese. The cycle fendered car did not race. I believe the barchetta (Link below) was the first Ferrari and the cycle fendered car (link to photo in above post) was the second car. Nowak thought the reverse is true; the cycle fendered car was first.



By dretceterini at 2008-07-29

 

Chuck is apparently quite busy these days but I did receive a quick response that it took 3-4 months to make the first issue of Cavallino. Chuck indicated that he would get around to checking his files for other information relating to the Nowak article.

Jeff

 

This is getting even more confusing. Here is a photo of the stamp 0010I.

Looking closely, the marks look more like (1st digit) The letter O, (2nd digit) The numeral ZERO, (3rd digit) A Capital letter I, (4th digit) The number ZERO, (5th digit) The number ONE to me.; and NOT 0010I.


http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=213386&stc=1&d=1126026280

 

I am hoping to find out from Chuck if Stan had been working on compiling all the information that became an article from the earliest discussions about the creation of Cavallino or if Stan made the article quickly. This "could" be a case where as he compiled whatever notes he had, compared these with others (Dick Merritt is specifically cited as a source in the lead-in) he could have stumbled into a revelation.

Certainly this is speculating on my part but if the timelines start to coincide Stan's determined interest in your dad's car might not have been a coincidence.

Jeff