Countach Downdraft

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  1. Jalpa_Mike

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    Joe,

    I think the issue here (at least from my little knothole) is that you come across very brash and self assured in your posts, forgetting how you have slammed other cars in the past. For example, you are defending your Countach, but have no problem slamming someone elses:

    https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/141849602-post15336.html

    I for one really take offense to your assertion that those of us with fuel injected cars wish we had bought a DD car. At least in my case, nothing could be further from the truth.

    As Roy can attest, back in 2009 when I was looking for a Countach, I had only 1 stipulation, that the car be fuel injected. I had just come away from 17 years of ownership of a 1980 Maserati 4Porte w/ (4) 42DCNF carbs, a 1983 Lamborghini Jalpa w/ (4) 42DCNF carbs and a euro spec 1980 Maserati 4Porte, again with (4) 42DCNF carbs. I was tires of keeping Weber in business every year when I went through all 12 carbs to clean and rebuild, LOL! The last thing I wanted was another car with weber carbs.

    Am I upset that a DD sells for more than a Fuel Injected car? Not at all. No more upset than I would be with a P400 Miura over an SV even given the price differences between them. I personally like the P400 better. Just like I prefer the Fuel Injected 5000QV over the DD. When I was looking for a Countach, Roy had a gorgeous 1985 Black/Tan 5000QV DD for only about $20k more than I paid for my car. Do I wish I would have bought it instead? Not at all. A fuel injected car is what I wanted.

    I think you need to realize that there are people out there who prefer a different variant than you like. There is nothing wrong with that and they shouldn't be chastised for it.

    The homologation is not that big of an issue to me. After all, as you've stated, it was a defunt class by the time Lamborghini went through the effort to do it. But, others did the same thing. Maserati homologated the Biturbo! And not just the first iteration! They updated it with each release of a new Biturbo model. What has that got Maserati? Heck, the poor Biturbo seems to make everyones "least desirable" list. I never thought it was that bad! I even owned an '85 model for several years. :)

    Mike
     
  2. joe sackey

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    Ahhh, we see, so you have an axe to grind from years ago, I get it, fair play.

    Actually, the last post I made in the 25th thread was just days ago :eek: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/145543535-post2985.html and in fact I am the very last person to post in the 25th Anniversary thread http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/lamborghinichat-com-sponsored-cats-exotics/394041-countach-25th-anniversario-150.html

    Allan, you're full of crap, your entire premise for hating is about as credible as that fake name you post under, and the whole basis of yours & Roy's blatant hating is jealousy.

    As I've said before and will say again, if only you had a Downdraft, boy would you be singing a different tune.

    One only has to ask the basic question, if you cared nothing for the Downdraft or indeed this car, why do you visit this thread EVERY SINGLE DAY? Same question goes for Roy.

    The more attention you draw to this car, the more this happens http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/145558481-post6949.html and the more I realize how special this particular Countach is to cause this much fuss :eek: :D
     
  3. roytoy2003

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    LOL

    Yes Joe, the black cars titles SAYS TMU. As for what the other car, please
    provide me evidence of it's inop ODO, and I will immediately tag its
    Title as TMU right away. It's the right thing to do, make a prospective owner
    aware of it, but as I said, it's not a death sentence for these cars or yours..
    just needs to be disclosed is all.

    As far as I want a DD. No thanks, recall I have had 4, drove them, enjoyed them
    and sold them. I truly prefer my 6.0SE cars.

    But, as others have stated, your way of delivery is a HIGHER THEN ALL
    OTHERS God like talk...

    AND I CAN GUARANTEE YOU.... you or no better then me nor anyone
    else here...we are all good and great. We all matter.
     
  4. joe sackey

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    Mike,

    I understand & accept where you are coming from, I really do, and perhaps a different tone should ensue in the future. But understand also, the minute I started to extol the virtues of the Downdraft, the haters came out and thats my way of dealing with them. This is a two-way street.

    That said, there is nothing to "defend" about my Countach that has not already been posted for 10 years. So too, I do not consider someone mentioning Raymond's parking-lot dent as an accident to be a slam to me, heck, I'm not that insecure, and I'm happy to discuss it. In the same way, I do not consider mentioning accidents about other cars in the past as slamming them.

    I don't think my delivery is brash, I'm just a guy who gets to the point, I don't mince words and I'm not afraid to say what's on my mind. I happen to think there is nothing wrong with being self-assured, if you are also open to learning and amending your received wisdom.

    I completely accept that some people always wanted a Fuelie and in fact prefer a Fuelie, and in fact I have said so. Bear in mind I have also said, that I like all the variants from LP400 to 25th having had the good fortune to own them and understand the benefits of each.

    That said, I have also said, repeatedly, that just because someone extols the virtues of one variant does mean they are automatically disparaging other variants.

    Nobody has to come to this thread and read if they don't care for the Downdraft or my posts, so one wonders why they keep coming back.
     
  5. joe sackey

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    Roy,

    This is the DOWNDRAFT thread, where people gather to extol the virtues, enthuse, seek information about and appreciate the Downdraft.

    The thread was not started to solicit to b!tching, whining, complaining and hating on the Downdraft :)

    So my friend, the simple question is begged, if the Downdraft is a "No Thanks" for you, WHY do you waste your time in the Downdraft thread every single day? :eek: :D
     
  6. roytoy2003

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    SO ridiculous....I would say less then 5% that come here, own a DD....so now your saying only DD owners should come here?? NUTS

    I come here as I 95% enjoy reading things here and looking a fantastic pictures, as is and I have stated prior your car as well...beautiful pictures... BUT you know what, I look at Playboy every month....it has great pictures as well, but that doesn't mean I want one of them as well....as a matter of fact been there, done that, enjoyed it as well and moved on.

    The other 5% I come here is to laugh at some of the greater then all others you remind us each day that you are here.

    After all, you do provide for good entertainment....please keep me smiling!!

    Have a great Holiday weekend...
     
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  8. joe sackey

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    So people who people gather to extol the virtues, enthuse, seek information about and appreciate the Downdraft can only be owners?

    Where did I say only DD owners should come here?

    Are you high or just drunk again?

    As I said, the thread was not started to solicit to b!tching, whining, complaining and hating on the Downdraft , which, is your only contribution here.

    As Ive said before, you offer ZERO in terms of useful contribution to the community, so, what's your purpose here besides the aforementioned?

    Let me help you with what I and others are saying http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/145557493-post6943.html if you don't have anything useful and positive to contribute, eff off :eek: :D
     
  9. roytoy2003

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    WOW

    Such language and personnel assaults

    Can you remind us all how old you are today??
     
  10. joe sackey

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    Stop complaining, I don't see any "personnel assaults" (sic), I see frank observations.

    Actually, my language is always measured and relevant, unlike yours anytime you post past 4pm.

    Judging by my language & contributions to the community, I must be a LOT older than you, but, apparently I'm not.

    Rick summed it up best: "I have to say, the haters on this thread look stupid. … No need to hate. Get out of this thread I (and many many others) are sick of reading your crappy posts."
     
  11. roytoy2003

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    Yes Joe, you are the perfect person, I keep forgetting.
     
  12. roytoy2003

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    Still waiting for documentation to back up your claim of TMU
    on a vehicle is still have in inventory??

    Or was that just a flash in the pan statement to reflect your issues??
     
  13. joe sackey

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    Hey Roy, the free pass I gave you on your bull***** expired :eek: :D
     
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  15. joe sackey

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    Go back and ask some previous owners, do your homework and you'll find out :rolleyes:

    FWIW, it's people who are sick & tired of your drunk posts who are voluntarily offering up this information to me! :)
     
  16. Ellagirl

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    Here is the problem, remove the haters,And the asslickers(rumpeslikkers) there would be a Very tiny audience.
     
  17. roytoy2003

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    LOL. you are so two faced.
    I ask you to provide evidence to support your claim, just as I
    did with your car. SOLID evidence.

    However, as usual, like a Monkey backed up against its cage, you
    lash back with unsustantied, derogatory and undocumented evidence
    just as you always do with others property.

    I would encourage you to DOCUMENT your slanderous and unfounded
    accusations.

    YOU OWE it to community, inquiring minds want to know.

    So provide or just stay in your monkey cage rating it.
     
  18. roytoy2003

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    Maybe if you had done "your homework" this direction of the thread
    would have never taken place.
     
  19. EarlyCat

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    Often Joe you have been quite the wordsmith. It's really not surprising to see the backlash from time to time. Most just want to talk about the cars, and if you do, then there is no reason for personal jabs.

    Roy. I thought you were going to be the better man and let this go.

    Im closing this thread until tomorrow.
     
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    It's a new day & fresh start. Back to the discussion on Lamborghinis.
     
  21. Ellagirl

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    I was told the Countach has a very heavy clutc , and its impossible to back up, my neigbors friends wife, met a guy who knew another guy wich was told this on a cruise back in the mid 90 s. Is this true?
     
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    Total BS, clutch is heavy but no more so than anything else of the period, and backing up is not really an issue.
     
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    :) Howard Wasdin, a Navy Seal, once said if I could talk you out it, then you shouldn't do it. Same with Countach ownership.
     
  24. Ellagirl

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    How do you know? More so than my meighbors wifes friend?
     
  25. Ellagirl

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    Sorry. Cousins friends neighbor. I think. Could poss be the other way around. Not shure anyway. This is the informative educational contributions to the Countach comunity. We need more of. Today we learned two things. Heavy clutch is BS. And its poss to drive in reverse. All good
     
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    I have one
     
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    Actually my clutch feels light to me. Is there a way to measure the pressure needed to enagage. Maybe we could all take a sample to document and discuss?
    Rob
     
  28. Ellagirl

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    Well acc to another neighbor (the duude on the corner with the big sailboat,sailboaters and Countach owners usually get along real well ) he claims the clutch pedal in rhd cars are on the right side,beeing the pedal assembly is just moved over to the right, that way you guys while driving around the island in the fog ,can use your right foot for the clutch operation, this is why it does not feel as heavy, beeing the right foot is usually stronger than the left, makes sense Huh? Lol
     
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    #6977 cnpapa24, Sep 2, 2017
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    As shown here previously, I have been known to give tutorials on how to reverse a countach if anyone is interested.
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  30. joe sackey

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    #6978 joe sackey, Sep 2, 2017
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    Exactly, and these days with as much knowledge about these cars as there is, whenever anyone brings up this topic in a random fashion, you know it's BS.

    Agreed, the clutch pedal is relatively easy, compared to say the late-80's Ferrari F40 which has a stiffer over-centered feel.

    Interesting point about measuring the pedal-pressure required to engage the clutch, my thoughts on this would be that most Countachs would be similar if they are using the same single-plate clutch. If a standard passenger car clutch pedal force is @ 20-40 lbs, then a Countach's would be @ 40-60 pounds? Still no big deal if you are in reasonable shape.

    That said, the LP400 I drove 2 weeks ago felt stiffer than the clutch in my QV Downdraft. The LP400, LP400S S, LP500S, QV and 25ths I've owned over the years have all felt similar.

    I must learn how to do that, I’m patiently waiting for my invitation to the Valentino Balboni Countach Driving School.

    Meanwhile FLA12831 looked good that day.
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    #6979 joe sackey, Sep 2, 2017
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    Red Downdraft parked on the street in sunny Zurich, Switzerland.
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    #6980 joe sackey, Sep 2, 2017
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    One of the best magazine articles I've ever read that puts the Countach Downdraft (HLA12065) in perspective amongst all the sports car greats is CAR's 50th series.
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    An evocative image, 2 cars on a country road.
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  34. kevfla

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    You didn't know he was being facetious?
     
  35. PineChris

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    I dont think the Countach clutch requires any more effort than my CGT. Clutch on my Murcielago is much too light.
     
  36. Ellagirl

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    you guy actually responding to this bs, ? LOL effeing unbelievable
     
  37. cnpapa24

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    Great piece. Chosen as one of the Car Gods among the best of the best.
     
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    I caught your humor, hence my post ;)
     
  39. Ellagirl

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    Thanks, i feel better now, did not open your post, not shure reg some of the other Countach duuds out there, very concerned reg our British friends,
     
  40. joe sackey

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    Especially from a collector's perspective, with all the different great sports cars to think about.
     
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    #6989 joe sackey, Sep 2, 2017
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    Matthones parked in Melbourne, Australia.
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    Harry @ the Hampton Court Palace Concours D'Elegance.
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    #6992 joe sackey, Sep 3, 2017
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    Raymond I think you are correct, having driven HLA12045 you'd think I would recognize it, but, I checked my archives and something tells me this could easily be Andrej F's beautiful ex-Belgium HLA12027 which is a pretty much an identical car?
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    Ah, spotted again Joe!

    I was asked to put together a collection of modern supercars this year that I can see being stars of Concours events in a couple of decades time.

    My selection included Pagani Zonda F (in bare carbon) and Huayra, black Enzo (I think the front end design is brilliant and shows best in black), the only Jaguar C-X75 in existence in production form and the Koenigsegg Narayra, which is finished in blue carbon and has 'turned gold-leaf' accents.

    Then the organisers asked me to display one of my own cars too and the Countach QV seemed the obvious choice. Once they were all together, I thought it remarkable how the Countach QV didn't look out of place in this elite group. With it sat right at the front of the collection, you could see the evolution of the mid-engined supercar and how dramatic the Countach design still is today. Here are some photos, so you can judge this for yourself..
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    Front and center as it should be! Great stuff, thanks for sharing, Harry.
     
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    That is brilliant Harry, and thank you as always for your efforts to the community as an Ambassador for the Countach.

    Truly.
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    Harry I have also noted your car @ Bob Houghton's (who I have high regard for from a few GTO & F40 dealings) in keeping with a trend I am noticing of traditionally Ferrari-only specialists becoming very familiar with fettling, tuning, and restoring our cars.
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    Well done Harry. Great selection you put on display. Can you post up some pictures of the Jag? I love this car. Can't believe they did not go into production with it. Would have sold a lot of units in my opinion.

    I'm not surprised that the Countach is still relevant today. The design was ages ahead of its time. What did they smoke in the 60's and 70's? I feel like I've missed out ;-)

    Don't get me wrong, I love the modern kit as much as the next man. But I'll take a GT40, Cobra or classic Ferrari over any of it. 3 pedals, stick shift and you have to drive it!
    I get out of the QV feeling that I've been taken for a ride, not the other way around. Pure automotive heaven!
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    Well said, last year i got to drive back to back Porsche 918 La Ferrari 288 gto 911gt3 rs and Ferrari 58 Boano 66 275 gtb long nose , new stuff is cool, but i wold take the 275 home, absolutey loved it, also stunning looking, yellow/black The gt3 rs not my gig.
     

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