David Piper restores the Talacrest P4

True.

 

A widely original P4 0858 frame does change this a bit.

 

There are cars including Racing Ferrari's with period racing appearance that are shown at Pebble and Villa d'Este.

There is a whole class for them.
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0858 is no P4 replica. It's the real deal. A P4 replica is shown in post 1469.

 

that 375 mm? looks great. what i am saying is that, that look should not be recreated on a freshly rebuilt car.
freshly rebuilt cars should be as they left the factory as spec'd by the designers.

 

Its the real deal as a Can Am. Its been many years since it was the real deal as a P4.

It exists as a P4 only in photographs and memories.

 

"widely" ?? Typo??

No question 0858 was once a P4.

No question Ferrari changed 0858 into a 350 Can Am 45 years ago.

No question Piperised 0858 is a 350 Can Am fitted with an incorrectly made replica "P4" body.

Calling 0858 as it exists today an original P4 is simply not true.

The only original P4 in existence today is 0856.

 

Is that 0382AM?

 

True.

 

Yes. Wonderful car.

 

if it isn't a replica, than at least a recreation. Either way, not as genuine as the car in it's 350 Canam guise.

 

As an aside it's engine remains 350 Can Am not P4 nor was this particular serial number engine ever used in original P4 0858, nor is this engine an original P4 engine converted by Ferrari into a 350 Can Am engine.

 

Please, for the benefit of the forum reveal your source for your above claim. Put up or shut up.

 

I agree that patina shouldn't be recreated but when it still exists should be preserved as it was on this 375.

 

Unless it was recreated using the original in period methods: Speed, dust, and guts.

 

preservation being the keyword here. I have no problem with a recreated body when it is necessary for preservation. Better a car with a recreated body than a car with no body at all. However, there was no need to preserve 0858. It was a perfectly fine 350 Canam

 

Exactly the point that people that argue that other cars have been re-bodied, why not the Can Am?, don't get.

 

Yes, it was a perfectly fine 350 Can Am but 0858 was and now is a magnificent, fantastic, amazing, fabulous, and most beautiful work of automotive art P4. It's the most famous Ferrari in the world. Ferrari is all about passion and people can never be anywhere near as passionate about the Can Am configuration as they are about the P4.

 

It isn't a P4.

It just looks like one, just like a replica of something should.

 

Just for argument how about the bread van?

 

Jim might be interested in responding to this one.

 

So far as I know the Breadvan isn't a painting and I also believe it was done in period.

In Fairness to Ferrari they recognize the Breadvan as a Ferrari of Historical Interest as it was rebodied in period and has period race history in that form the form it still is. For Ferrari to recognize it as a fully "Red Book" Ferrari it would have had to have been converted in period by Ferrari as was 0858 which is why Ferrari issued a "Red Book" to 350 Can Am 0858 and won't to Piperised "P4" 0858.

 

As Ferrari Classiche have attested the Breadvan as a Ferrari of Historical Interest (White Book), I don't understand why they will not attest 0858 in P4 configuration as such.

 

They probably would, but neither will be getting the red book anytime soon.

Stroll's real P4 could get a red book anytime he wanted, if he hasn't already done that.

 

It's already been discussed in this thread. Classiche will not attest 0858 at all. It's also been stated here that 0856 is Classiche Red Book attested.