Dino 246 gts replica

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    #1 spiderscott, Jan 12, 2009
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    OOoops I will get some stick for this thread, but thought i would post some pics of a replica I bought for some fun.

    After selling my 360 Spider (ive also had a 348 spider and 355 spider) I decided to buy this for some fun to tinker around with over winter.

    Basically its a replica 246 gts built back in 92 running with a 2.0 litre Lancia engine, its not too bad a replica and had most of my local ferrari owners club guys fooled at first glance. But its just a bit of fun to drive around in while I wait for the F430 prices here to finish crashing.

    Its got lots of original parts etc, i have some original wheel hubs that need to be fitted after modifying to 4 stud plus a few other bits to fit.

    ..... heres some pics
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    #2 spiderscott, Jan 12, 2009
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    a few more pics
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    #3 spiderscott, Jan 12, 2009
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    2 more
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    Well, as replicars go, it doesn't look too bad, though a bit stubby... Is it built on the Lancia Monte Carlo (Scorpion in the U.S.) platform or is it a purpose-built tube frame?
     
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    Not bad at all! Compared the the Dino replicas I've seen (which look like a Bradley GT on 'roids), this is nice.

    Who is the manufacturer of said kit?
     
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    Thanks guys

    Well from the details I have with the car inc the build data and manual, this is a purpose built car not built on an existing car (lancia etc) but used the running gear and engine from a 1982 Lancia Beta 2.0. Ive not compared it side by side with an original yet, but there are a few obvious differences to the body ... I think the nose is slightly wrong and also the angle of the rear pillars (rear screen) , also the wheels are 4 stud but are actually original dino (fiat) wheels that have had the centres modified to 4 stud pattern.

    well its just a bit of fun, personally I am totally against replica ferraris normally but this one came up I fancied a winter project to play with plus being fiberglass it wont rust !. Will post some more pics when its finished as like all my other original ferraris this is true to form in that it constantly has something wrong with it that needs fixing lol.
     
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    Manufactured originally back in the 90s by a company called JH Classics. However I think these guys bought the moulds for the company a few years back. My car was down there getting some work done a few months back .... Apparently a few original Dino owners here in the Uk buy a replica from these guys to use as a run around while their originals sit in the garage gathering dust, not my style personally i prefer to use all my ferraris.

    http://www.classicreplicasuk.com/
     
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    Just saw that - I wonder if this is something they'd import to the US?

    From the front, it's darn close - only the bumpers seem a little shorter (on a real Dino they extend into the front intake), and mildly stubby at the rear...but it's fantastic looking!

    In the States, we've had to suffer with things like the Kelmark GT - which looks nothing like a Dino to me...
     
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    #9 spiderscott, Jan 12, 2009
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    Think it depends on the year of the dino, early Dinos did have the bumpers that went into the front intake scoop like you say, where as the later model series (especially here in the UK) had the shorter front bumpers. Just the angle on my front bumper is not right, it slopes downwad slightly.

    Agreed those Kelmark cars look terrible, like a swooshed version of the car !
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    the pic above is of an original UK car
     
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    Actually, both the front and rear ends seem to droop a bit. I remember reading about this replica in British publications when it first appeared. I have never seen the spider version. Perhaps it was a later edition. The view from the rear three-quarters angle, accentuating the chopped rear section, suggests that perhaps a 206 was used as a template or model. As replicas go, it is head-and-shoulders above the Kelmark. About 15 years ago, while one of my Dinos was parked in the driveway, a young man stopped to proudly tell me that he had a Dino, i.e., a Kelmark. I asked him not to festoon it with Dino badging. He replied: "Oh, no, I'm very proud that it's a Kelmark!" You have the correct attitude: enjoy it for what it is, but don't try to fool the unknowing into believing that it is a real Dino. Fred
     
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    The Brits specialize in this kind of manufacture. I think it is not a good thing to have large, not so knowledgeable, audiences think they're seeing the real thing. In this, as well as in all the other similar cases, I believe this is the biggest drawback. Additionally I do not think you can register such a car in the EU.
     
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    Thanks Fred, yes totally agree just enjoying it for what it is which is still a pretty looking car despite being a nasty replica.

    There are a load of fake F355 and even 360 replicas appearing over here some of them are just terrible looking, i remember a few years back i was im my F355 Spider and a Toyota MR2 based kit 355 trying to race me at a set of lights, well temptation got the better of me then and I decided to show him the real difference between the real deal and a replica 355 .... seconds later he was a small dot in my rear view mirror.

    I think you are right in that the original front and rear end moulds were believed to be taken from an early 206 Dino, this is what the guy down at Classic replicas also told me. not sure where the GTS version came into play as there was never a 206 gts built so my replica must be a mismatch of various moulds and modifications.
     
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    True, although for someone like me (who can't afford the real thing), part of it is replicating the sensation of owning such a car. Part and parcel of that experience is others thinking it's an exotic, although I agree representing it as a "Dino" when it is a "replica" is not proper.
     
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    I have to say that it's the best replica i have ever seen, particularly the interior.
     
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    Well, depends on how you look at it. Many of us will never own a Porsche 550, for example. Therefore, a replica fills that need / want pretty nicely. It may not make the owner of a real 550 too happy, but I'd doubt they really care.

    I can totally understand the misrepresentation piece, though. That bugs me more when you see Viper replicas, when an authentic version could be had rather cheap.
     
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    Having had a number of people, over almost 33 years of Dino ownership, and 26 years of multiple (2) Dino ownership, accuse me of not owning "a real Ferrari" (these are almost always unknowledgeable people with a bent toward schadenfreude --hope I spelled that right!), I can't imagine having to defend my car to the second power, as a "wannabe-Dino," which some people seem to think is itself a "wannabe-Ferrari"! I always set people straight on the "not a real Ferrari" assertion (all the while feeling my blood pressure rise!), but I don't think that I'd want to do this for a Dino replica. As a variant of the European problem with fakes (the Favre 250 GTO comes readily to mind), the American car hobby has the problem of so-called muscle-car "clones." These are lowly Chevrolet Malibus, Pontiac Tempests and LeMans, and Oldsmobile Cutlases that are retrofitted with engines and cosmetics of Chevy SS 396, Pontiac GTO and Olds 442 models. Some are initially sold as either "clones" or "tributes," but some unwary buyers a few owners down the line have been burned by paying inflated prices, incorrectly believing that they have bought "the real thing." They often learn of their mistakes when they attempt to sell their cars as originals. This is the real problem with replicas in general. They are sometimes so good as to be the automotive equivalent of counterfeit currency. Anyway, this particular replica appears harmless enough, and should provide a great deal of enjoyment to its new owner. Fred
     
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    +1 to that - when the replica becomes part of a fraud, it's never a good thing.
     
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    Not bad for a replica!
     
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    Yer i believe Gordon the owner took over the DEON moulds and business.
     
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    It looks pretty good at first glance but the nose and the tail didn't look right. Both of them seemed to droop. I took a look at some of my old pics, found one of my car at the same angle and started playing with the editor. Removed color and got the edges and the size. Tried to overlay the two pictures. Nothing much is right. I finally matched wheelbase as a reasonable starting point. Front bumper is about 2" low, rear deck is 8-10" low and short. Door quite different. Oh well. Panel lines are nice.
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    Nice visual analysis John.
     
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    As a former Dino owner... it's hideous.
     
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    Nice work, This is a deon/ JH classics dino replica from the 1990's, i have one of their dino replicas that is more like an early prototype/ lemans 206 dino replica but like this dino pictured is not exact replica of anything although i believe the moulds were taken from a 206 and modified.

    The Brit company that now produces the dino replica has a more acurate body shape, i am half way through building one with a 3 ltr alfa v6 so my car will actually perform better and be more reliable than the original with low running costs.

    I was like most on here that disliked replicas, but the later dino replicas are a great fun car that can be used every day IMO.
     
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    Keep in mind that replicas aren't always exact clones of originals. IIRC, Enzo Ferrari himself was very against any sort of replica - close facsimile or not.

    Given that the Deon dates back quite a bit, and the comment of it being a copy of a 206 (although I thought there was little change to the body), you expect some differences.

    Based on that overlay, I still think this is a nice clone. Doesn't really matter, don't see this coming stateside anytime soon.
     
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    I owned a kitcar at one time, and it was a blast to drive around.
     
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    Yeh, those Kelmark replica dino's you have over there are horrific, over here they are known as karmas, i was surprised to see these cars still change hands for a few grand and they still get interest.
     
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    I think they took the idea from deon who they bought some liquidated stock from and improved the whole car, the chassis, engine & running gear were upgraded and the body is a more correct 246 type instead of the 206.

    Great if you don't have 80-100k+ sterling to pay for an original to spend most of it's time in the garage.
     
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    That would be me! Heck, if you could get a trashed Fiat Dino, put that engine into this replica, you'd have a damn fine toy!

    Again, fully realizing for what it is - it's NOT a Dino, but replicates the experience nicely. Not sure of the cost, or what one would pay to obtain one. I'd think I'd be more likely to acquire a 308 GTB (carb or QV), as pricing is sure to be similar, and it's a true F-Car.
     
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    I was seriously considering replacing the ford lump for a fiat dino engine in the Deon i have but reliability problems put me off, also a lancia thema 8.32 was an option to get the Ferrari experience but again i read these engines have over heating problems when idling.

    I have seen both engines going for around 3k sterling, all in with a rebuild and instalation would have set me back around 8-10k, less than a boy racer spends on his vauxhall Nova, HA!

    putting a Ferrari engine in a kit car is moving away from what the car is supposed to be ,a replica car that can be used every day and is CHEAP to run.

    Also i too was shooting for a 308 or a F355 before i picked up the Dino replica, buying the car i could have done, but as i have a large family i can't justify constantly spending the money the car would demand for as long as i would have owned it.

    The classic replica Dino i have half built has an Alfa v6 24 valve alloy block engine, so this right at the back of your head with the custom none cat exhaust gives off a very nice note and the standard 250 bhp would out perform the original and thats what sold me on the good Dino replicas is the fact that it's the only Ferrari replica that if done right is actually better that the original in SOME respects and you can put as many original body and interior parts on it as you wish as they all fit.
     
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    John, It's great to see you back in instructional mode! Fred
     
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    Post a vid if you get a chance - love to hear it in action!
     
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    Will do.
     
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    And some pics if poss, is yours a GTS or GT version ??

    I nearly installed an original dino engine and gearbox in mine a couple of months ago, unfortunatly the guy selling them pulled out at the last min which is understandable as it was a bargain price for both. I also looked at buying a fiat dino to install the engine, but then you are left with the dilemma of what to do for a gearbox (fiat was front mounted).

    Anyway will keep mine for a couple of months and sell it when ive finished pottering around with it, as have to admit coming out of a 360 spider into the kit just feels wrong every time I drive it.
     
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    The Deon i have is a rare open top version they did with smoothed off arches, the unfinshed classic replicas dino will be the gts.

    As a matter of interest how much will you be looking to sell your replica for?
     
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    I run a company in the UK that will be producing very small numbers of tribute cars next year. I haven't seen a Dino on the road in the uk since I was 12 and I'm now 40. It seems, as they get older there are just more and more reasons to keep them in the garage, they need a great deal of attention to keep them running well on our busy roads in our damp weather and their values have increased so much in the last ten years, some are becoming coverted as investments.

    A curvacious car like a dino is flattened by photographs. Its only when you see one in the flesh that you understand why its considered to be so beautiful and the prospect of that is for most people now gone. I agree that owners of such cars shouldn't cross the line and badge recreations as originals and nor should producers because if they aren't comfortable saying I love it so much I wanted the closest thing I could afford and I love it even if its not the real deal, then they bought it for all the wrong reasons. Additionally it surely cheapens the memory if the only thing a father can share with his son is something that looks shoddy like some of the 355's we've all seen.

    The Deon replica above looks great, yes its shorter than the real car and the front and back do droop but regretably that doesn't qualify it to be closer to a 206 (althought they were shorter) its just because the moulds were made by men in sheds but they did a great job with the limited resources they had.
     
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    Do you mean you will be producing tribute Dinos?

    In the UK?

    What engine?

    What kind of body?

    How many?
     
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    i'd be careful about what you do and how you do it
     
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    I sold mine in the end, it was nice car but it just never felt right driving a replica. Just in the process of buying another 3600 as an everyday car
     
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    Interesting. I sure hope parts are not siphoned away as they were with the replica Daytonas.
     
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    Think it went for around £13500 GBP, which was what i paid for it a year earlier, but i spent a few thousand on some extra bits so pretty good deal in the end
     
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    What we really need are automotive "stem cells" to reproduce those impossible-to-find original equipment pieces---Dinoplexes and various lenses come readily to mind. Fred
     

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