Do Vintage Fans Really Hate Modern Ferrari's?

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  1. polds

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    The world has changed drastically.

    The purchaser of a Ferrari in the 50's/60's was a very different animal than today.

    They were much more exclusive in their heyday. Purchased by cognoscenti who had proper wealth and more importantly class.

    They had real disposable wealth. Not bubble payment clever finance. The cars had impeccable style back then. It was an innocent time as I reflect. There was no PC.

    Their image was not garish or flash. They were known for being to some degree troublesome and unreliable. That was what the general public thought and why all exotic cars plummeted in value before the world changed decided they were an asset to be invested in.

    Today a Ferrari is a mass produced machine. The brand has sold out and is associated with pens, computers, watches and clothing.

    The sort of chap that ordered road going SWB or (DB4 GT, Alfa GTA) is never to be repeated.

    The time has passed.

    If you want it back in your garage be prepared to spend a lot to experience it..
     
  2. johngtc

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    +1 Very nicely put.
     
  3. Rossocorsa1

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    This is a rather depressing commentary. I don't agree with it at all. I have a new Ferrari (and an older one) and it isn't for the purposes of being flashy. In fact, I make it a point to go on all my drives on quiet country roads. I'm not alone either. Most of the owners I know of contemporary Ferrari's are very passionate about their cars and the brand. I can also assure you that anyone buying a Ferrari today has means. As for impeccable style, I'm sure most did and I'm sure some didn't. Sure, their is the ilk that is obnoxious, flamboyant and flashy. The crowd may have a different look and sound in our society today, but they always existed and they always will. And, they will always gravitate towards expensive brands.

    Regarding the company and brand, the world changes. Though, I always laugh at the term "mass produced". Yes, they don't sit in a tiny workshop in Maranello and make a car a month, but I would hardly call any Ferrari mass produced. In fact, the numbers prove that new Ferrari's, as a percentage of vehicles today, are actually much rarer today than ever. If you go to the factory today, you'll see it is still a rather small operation, and incredibly smaller than "mass produced" auto brands. Interestingly, today they do a much greater perception of their production and work at the factory than they actually did in the earlier days. It is still a beautiful craft, I was happy to discover.

    Sure things are different, the cars are different, people are different. It's fine if one prefers the older cars (in many ways, I do as well), but I also think the modern cars and the company are doing great things as well.





     
  4. jm2

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    Whoa.........308 a mediocre design? :eek: Seriously?
    I beg to differ. We can debate this all day long, but I could not disagree more.......and I don't own a 308.
    I respectfully disagree concerning Pininfarina's impact on Ferrari in the '60's. To me they were just hitting their stride.
    I guess we'll agree to disagree.
     
  5. ferraripete

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    I agree with you. the 308 is among the prettiest mid engine designs ever.
     
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    308/GTO = best ever mid engine design. Which one you prefer depends on the bias you have for pretty/agression but what is clear is that this is a stunner!
     
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    I tried to be polite.
     
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    .............yes, yes. I would love a new 308 GTB. :)
     
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    I forgot to add that if you had GBP6300 in 1963 you could buy off the Old Man or from Mr Hoare a GTO and have a go on the various race tracks of this planet.

    Mr Piper is as an example who bought many road fit racers. Today that is just a dream.

    Don't get me wrong I do like the 488 and F12. They are sensational machines.

    But the vintage stuff is magical. They invigorate. They assault ones senses. Hearing the scream of a V12 on Webers coming on cam whist sitting in a masterpiece of an interior looking down the bonnet of an achingly gorgeous machine is sublime.

    Modern Ferrari's do it "too well". I do not want to be cosseted by electronics and I don't really care how many G the car can generate at the edge of its performance window.

    Finally (at least in London) if one should pull up in a vintage Ferrari in Notting Hill all and sundry will comment as to its beauty and sheer presence. The layman appreciates what it represents and there will never be any animosity. A new Ferrari will simply announce you have a degree of funds to own such a machine...

    A friend of mine has a Red 360 Mod coupe. It had not turned a wheel in 12 months as he prefers to use his 500F in London. He says that people like the 500 but the Modena gets no such praise from Mr Public.

    Perhaps my thoughts are a reflection of the world we now live in.
     
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    That's all that needs to be said.

    My line is drawn at pre-F40 and post-F40. After the F40 . . . . . . . meh.
     
  12. boxerman

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    We can debate styling back and forth. Yes most new ferraris look cartoonish. Then along came the 458, a non retro non derivative design that met global regulatory standards and was still a classic latin beauty, so it can be done. Then the 488, its like a face with the ear lobes scalpeld off.

    The bigger issue imo is how they drive. The 458 was frankly a bland experience untill going over 9/10ths and thats not realisticaly possible. The 458 drove as stylish lexus should, I doubt the 488 is any improvement.

    As to what should be done. Ferrari in Lucas time started making cars anyone could drive, and the driving experience got lost, while the bandwidth of buyers was massively expanded. Somewhere tough between the bland driving exerience and the whole dealer games ferrari buying experince the core enthusiasts got lost and left to buy elsewhere.

    The ferrari "brand" for want of a better word is built on two pillars, the racing sucess and the core sporting driver. Whats left, the F1 racing is so far removed that its irrelevant to many of us, and they dont make cars for sporting drivers, (on ocasion when they do the car is only purchaseable only by "collectors").

    Whats to be done, imagine a 458 body, really lightened, not with fake Cf but really just lightend without creature comforts excess electronics, sound deadening, yes a stick and yes no ps. Since turbos are a fact of life, put the turbo motor in, but have the turbos come in with a bit of a bang. I viceral alive car, thats whats missed. Somethign produced in enough numbers enthusiasts can buy it, obviating collector games.

    Or a simpler take, use the 4c tub, the alfa turbo motor which is apparently a ferrai v8 missing tow cylinders, do some great stylign stick etc and you have your core enthisats ferrari. If Jim G could redesign the enzo to the p4 then ferrari could do a great take using the 4c tub.

    Mostly make it raw viceral alive. Tech brings reliability, great chassis balance, power etc, get rid of the tech that detracts from the driving.

    And yes still make the rest of the line as is for the 85% of customers who like what ferrari currently builds.
     
  13. John Vardanian

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    The 308 and its production contemporaries were the last beautiful Ferraris. These would be the last cars that looked purely Italian. You can't say that for anything else that came out of Maranello thereafter.

    john
     
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    I agree, but then I have a 308 GTS. But I must admit that the GTB is prettier.

    I think that the crisp lines of the 308 were spoiled in in the rounded line of the 328.
    Although the 328 has a little more power and a parking brake that works, I prefer the
    handling of the 308. The 308 has steering that feels more connected to the road than
    that of the 328 that I drove, and perhaps the 308 has just a little stiffer springs that also
    makes the 308 handle better.

    It apears to me that ofter later versions of a car are not a pretty as the original version.
     
  16. boxerman

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    Yes the 328 corrupted the lines, but then USA spec 308s look poor compared to the origional needle nose euro design anyway. They also weigh more and produce less power.
    Personally i think a Euro QV is the pick of the bunch.

    While some love the 355, to me the front end is meh toyota Mr2, but the rest is really great, especialy considering its a legislation car.

    then came the 458, bearing in mind its a legislation car, its stunning, origional and latin, sadly it seems this was a brief spark of brilliance in the night. To drive its meh.

    Whats really missing from the moderns is the viceral driving experience. Maybe a 308 is not fast by modern standards, but to drive, well it has no modern peers.
     
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    I think you will find that the redesign was by Pininfarina.
     
  18. Rossocorsa1

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    I love vintage cars. Some of my favorite Ferrari's are the classics from the fifties and sixties, without question. Having said that, they're vintage cars. I don't want Ferrari making them today, nor would they. Anyone thinking they should isn't realistic. I'm also quit confident that if the same men running the company were at the helm today, they too would embrace, and lead, modern technology and design. That's one of the very foundations of Ferrari's success.
     
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    Yep, sorry I meant he paid for it and provided the designers with the inspiration he wished to evoke. If I can criticise the car its that while undeniably beautiful its still retro. Whereas the 458 is just inspired.
     
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    I thought that's what you meant to say and he provided Pininfarina with a replica to inspire them.
     
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    I agree that the European 308 has better lines. I just forgot about them.
     
  22. boxerman

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    I guess we can say that vintage owners don't hate the modern ferraris. We're just uninspired by them.

    Time ago ferrari was really somehting different to everything else out there. Today comapred to a corvette a ferrari is certainly more luxury. Its performance is arguably no better, and we can debate the design of the two. ..

    I would say the company that still builds thriling latin exotics is ironicaly lamborghini. A others have said if you want to go paddle v12 exotic an aventador is where its at, all that latin drama and design. If youre into tracking your cars, and sunday romps a performante seems to be the top pick, and its v10 seems to beat the v8 turbo ferrari for driving fun.

    Imo nothign holds ferrari back except arrogance, purchase games, and a desire to sell branded cars over drivers cars, possibly they are lost lost in tech for techs sake. They have al the necessary pieces to make some drivers knockouts, but then as many observers of their current asthetics point out, they may have forgotten how...
     
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    Ever since the Miura, Lamborghini has been all about being "exotic" even if it is at a cost to performance. That's their brand, while Ferrari has been more about performance, and being "exotic" is a side-effect (or benefit, if you prefer).

     
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    Which had better performance a countach or a testrossa.

    in the past Lambo was the arriviste upstart, less comfortable. less well built, more tempramnetal and yes dramatic styling to ferraris classic beauty, both were exotic just in different ways.

    Today Ferrai v12s have better performance to an aventador, none of which is useable by either so imo the difference is irrelevant. In the smaller car the performance crown goes decisevly to lambo on road and track. The lambo is simply more alive more fun to drive on road, it has a more viceral motor, and its better on track too. They are both well built, while lambo still has exotic and inspired design, ferrari design has lost classic beauty and is more pedestrian, less clever.

    Ferrai still has brand cachet, but most ferrari and lambo buyers today are buying to show themselvs and others they made it. IMo if youre really a driver though, the lambos are simply more of what its about and the frraris more Gt..

    All the recent sucess of aston, lambo Mclaren, even amg, thats all marketplace and customers ferrari abandoned and alienanted or failed to capture. they sued to own that space entirely.

    maybe the seed was planted when Enzo pissed feruchio off, the first NSX and the Maclren f1 showed that otehrs could do it. But now after ferraris arrogance with customers and product of the past 20 years its now its now a volume reality. The market ferrari created and owned almost entirely has been invaded by by a number of nimbler, cleverer, faster, just as exotic and upscale competition, simply because ferrari left yawning gaps and aleinated customers.
     
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    I don't know about Testarossa vs. Countach, but I'm pretty sure the Boxer beat it most of the time. Even if the Countach won on paper, in the real world the Boxer generally outperformed it.

    And if you actually wanted to use either one, it was Boxer hands down.

     
  26. boxerman

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    Youre preaching to the choir here, i have had both, kept the boxer. The ct handles way better, was faster above 150. The BBi a far sweeter engine, more refined car all around and can be used on modern roads. You only need to shift a ct a few times to know for sure lambo made tractors. Its also really hard to see out the side and impossible to see what behind.

    A ct is art, a show car(undeveloped) that made it on to the road, the boxer is a real car. Porbably the same difference holds true with the miura vs daytona.

    The later Qv DD countach would blow a Tr away, but was still a crude show car for the road, really closer to well built kit car, than real developed car, but far more go kart like to steer than the softer ferrari. The Tr had ac that worked stereo etc but was way softer. the 512Tr came closer to Ct Dd performance.

    Fearris by the 90s were fully workable and useable, but had lost some of the magic, sadly this trend continued with each iteration untill imo the magic is largely gone for a road drive. However now Lambos are also fully developed but have kept more of the magic.
     
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    I personally love them all, some more than others obviously, but they are so incredibly different in every way and the experience is fun and unique in both old and new. The 2 Ferraris I am driving most at the moment are 56 years apart and they are both great.

    PS why stop at a 56 year spread, I think I would be as excited (if not more) to buy a 1950 166 barchetta as I would a 2018 Portofino. They would be vastly different and would be enjoyed differently but I have no doubt I would enjoy both immensely.
     
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    One of the reasons things have changed so drastically IMO has to do with how the buyers in the main markets for these cars actually categorised them. I'm betting most Italians - most Europeans, actually - especially back in the day, were/are looking for a Sports car and not an exotic car, a term commonly used by Americans to describe automobiles such as those made by Ferrari and Lamborghini. IMO this is a problem because they are two different things which can be combined, but are not necessarily so.

    This is mostly conjecture but where else is the "exotic" appeal so important, other than America?

    If you ask me, that's one of the reasons Ferrari went showier. For example, the Countach was a more 'exotic' car than a BB, but not necessarily a better driver, however it 'won' the exotic battle of the day. That wasn't really what Ferrari were going for in the 50's and 60's. The cars were beautiful, mostly as a matter of pride for the couachbuilders who designed them - and in some cases to the detriment of the driver's comfort - but they were primarily meant to offer an unparalleled driving experience. And the expertise to make that so came from racing programmes. As markets such as America became bigger, they could not ignore the way their customers saw these automobiles - "exotic" being the primary word used in the US to describe anything foreign and expensive. At some point it didn't matter as much if the thing was developed on track or not (see: Lamborghini). IMO it's a slippery slope from there...
     
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    Well I would argue that the asian market is also pushing the cars and styling in another direction.

    To your point though the Tr was essentialy a boxer redesigned to work for America in that it wasd esigned to meet legislation, have Ac that worked was reasonably comfortable and reliable with eye catchign if not beautiful styling. That was follwed by the 550 which once agin was more comfortable and easy to use, but maybe returned to more classic styling.

    In any event the process was cast, as each model became easier to use and faster on paper, they sold more. Styling wise it was hit of miss, but to drive in nay ttype of road enviroment the cars became more and more useable, essentialy bland and unintresting.

    While I think as do many others that the 458 was stylign knockout, it continued the bland to drive below 9/10ths trend. I have not driven a F12 which is bland to look at, the 599 I drove was pretty lame, I'll say it was stable in straight line at speed otherwise felt and turned like a truck.

    In any event this formula of bland to drive re easy and eye catchy styling has worked well for ferrari at 8k units. How do they sell more. i content that there is anotehr 20%-30% in sales building what we call real sportscars, a market and core custoimer segment ferrari has more or less abandoned, a segemt which will rebuild brand autheticity and should not be too expensive to service with product devlopment as they already have most of the key componants in production in one car or anotehr.

    Concurrent with that I really see the ferrari suv commign and why not. Luxury SUVs are the hottest segment of the luxury car biz and in theory ferrari is at the top of that list. Additionaly a suv today can perform on road beyond any rational attainable speed so for road conditions there is no real perfomance loss driving an suv over any of the otehr bland drivign ferrari products. The FF has not sold well and that platform jacked up into a super duper suv makes sense. All ferrari needs to do while they make the suv is make some hard core cars for the other end of the spectrum and their brand cred is safe. They can also keep doign what they are doing now which is filling in the middle with a series of paper fast Gt cars, aka 488 812 and portofino.

    For myself there are two ferraris I would considder, hard core sportscar, for weekend blasts and the track, and an suv for the road.
     
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    You make great points. Youa re also in the fortunate position to enjoy the whole ctalogue, so each is appreciated in its own way.

    But then knowing the cars as you do, assuming you could only have one or two, a newer ferrari with the virtues of some old favorites but with modern power balance reliability etc may make sense, and ferrari does not build that car. Well maybe the Cs-speciule came close, but while a few of those may be driven in anger, those specials are now really only built for collectors.
     
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    Now, yes, but it wasn't the Asian (continental) markets that caused that shift, which happened in the 1970's. Japan had been buying Ferrari's for a while but they are quite unique in that they have utmost respect for the coachbuilding culture. It's different from the continental asian markets, who for the most part want the latest and showiest. It's no fluke that Japanese collectors bought so many of the classic cars back in the 80's when they were considerably cheaper, and why the SP division was basically started at Ferrari to satisfy a Japanese customer who wanted a rebodied, curvier F430.

    Anyway, I still think the shift to referring to these cars as "exotic" had a long way in making them have to look a specific way. Ferrari held out as long as they could, I think, and say what you will about the man but LdM put up a good fight when he first took the helm, but the success of the F40 I think (or maybe even the Testarossa before it) opened up that Pandora's box for good...
     
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    I think the photo shows my feeling.
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    I would agree with your sentiments. I love the idea of Ferrari creating a product line of simple, hardcore, non-tech sports cars (if they can in today's regulatory environment). However, keep in mind that many vintage fans who long for the "old days" or grand GT drivers (which is also part of the Ferrari vintage bloodline), not hardcore sports car fans.




     
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    This thread reminds me a previous thread I posted not too long ago. I think it is a very relevant question for this section. The link is below, though you can easily answer the question here. The thread topic was:

    How Would You Design The Ferrari Model Lineup?

    If it were your choice, what would the Ferrari model lineup consist of? Here are my choices:

    - 12 cylinder GT (coupe and very limited spider variant)
    - 12 cylinder mid-engine (GTB only, not supercar)
    - 8 cylinder mid-engine (GTB and spider variants)
    - 8 cylinder GT convertible
    - Decennial supercar (highly limited - GTB, spider and race variants)
    - Occasional, limited models as deemed appropriate, such as:
    - Totally analog, three-pedal, gate-shifted models (raw, simple, pure)
    - Commeorative models (tribute cars, special anniversary cars, etc.)
    - 6 cylinder models (occasional)

    Let's see your thoughts.

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/ferrari-discussion-not-model-specific/556032-how-would-you-design-ferrari-model-lineup.html
     
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    I am far more concerned with how they drive than how they look. By your reckonign then I guess a 308 and Boxer are exotic.

    I have no issue with what some might call exotic as long as its still classy latin design. My issue and maybe these are betetr words is with hey look at me designs, that was certainly the Tr. The F12 is to me meh, the cali is a tragedy , it could have been designed by Gm in the 90s so disporportianate is it.

    Some people love dinos, to me its 60s design language overlayed on a mid engined car.

    the 458 to me has great proportions, is exotic without being overdone. The 488 is an unfirtnate "update" of the shape going for hey look at me and losing design coherance. its a bitsa design.

    I think though what sergio is referign to is that the cali is a travesty, all disproportiante but he is going to sucker in people with the portofino as it has better proportions and more classic surfacing.

    The 250 gtos is not a particularily pretty or well proportioned car, its just works great. The 250 gto is to the swb what the F40 is to the 288 ie cars designed for pure raw function disregarding styling. I woudl say on the F50 they lost the plot style wise. The enzo was at elast bold but sadly disjointed. the Laf is a little ,long looking but great in the flesh especialy in dark blue.

    Yes modern ferraris may be somewhat more exotic looking, but that does not have toi be bad design. We can see great design in the 208 2888 BB 456 and 458. As is said mores the worry about the way they drive.
     
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    Looks good to me, somehtuign for everybody and can probably be done off 3 existing platforms and 2 powertrains as exist now..
     
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    I do not "hate" modern Ferrari, Porsche, lamborghini, et al.

    I am deviating from the topic, but all we have, is pre '73.

    Can go on forever, 2CV, Piper 170, Comanche, Riva Aquarama, Stearman, P-51, and on and on.

    Carburators, one or six. Distributors, seat belt on a few, nothing electronic. Air bags?
    Big Gulp holders, is it really essential? Cars do not have bumpers any more, just a big piece of plastic, so you can parallel park and bump. All the cars in Europe look like crap because of this novelty. Have to repaint both ends once a year...

    My wife has a 2016 Jeep 4 door, still cannot manage the damn thing.
    Got to go to school again, no way. Can drive it, but very basically, just to and fro.

    Although, it is impossible to deny the 'out of this world' of the new fantastic cars, Ferrari or any of the other supercar makers. Will not buy any other "new" sports car, specially with electronics.
    Talk about 'planned electronic obsolescence'.

    Drove a 935, a long time ago on a racetrack, and it was so fast, a monster car with only 750 HP, (most common nowadays), made just for that specific purpose. Probably anything 'super' something or other, is now faster, civilized, but not for me.

    I am "Zoomed by the Past" (forgot who said that) and that is how it will remain.

    Have a plywood 600lb Raveau with a 150HP Merc 'Tower of power', now that, is scary.
    Succumbed to family 'pressure', so there is a modern leviathan that weighs 4500 lbs dry.
    The other day the electronic dash, was having 'issues', touch screen, yuck.

    Definitely, cars, pickups, and any fast airplane for other mundane purposes, absolutely, cannot live in the past with everything...Imagine flying on a DC3 to Europe...naaahhh

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    I am lucky enough to have a 1965 330GT and a 1997 550. Both are great but completely different the 330 is almost alive When you get out after a long trip everything including the luggage in the boot smells of partly burnt gasoline. It pops and burbles like one a car with carbs can. It's a beast to park with no power steering but it's small

    The 550 is precise and instant in its power It's more comfortable inside and is an awesome big of kit.

    I love them both and will keep them both
     
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    Well, I'm actually looking into the prospect for the 75th Anniversary of D-day. Can't wait.
     
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    Yes I know youre right, and Sergio is delivering with the portofino..
     
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    Timo, did you pack your parachute?

    Regards, Alberto
     
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    I've also been practicing long distance swimming, just in case. 😎
    There are a quite a lot of DC-3s/C-47s and other vintage planes from U.S. planning to attend along with many from Europe and UK. Should be an epic event.
     
  43. ferrarip4

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    I like most Ferrari's, even the modern ones but I tend to admire their technological tour de force than be in love with their lines. I hate a few (349, Mondiale...), I love the 1960's GT's and I'm learning to appreciate the 1950's cars and some of their challenging bodies. I think the Touring Barchetta's are fantastic for example.

    I think the last really stunning Ferrari must be the 275 GTB.
     
  44. Mark020

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    Hate is a big word but the last good looking Ferrari's for me were the F40 and 355. Can't be bothered by more modern stuff.
     
  45. SCantera

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    Walter.....I did a little bit of modifying to make my 60s car more relevant and useable. On my GTC I did a complete mechanical resto....full engine rebuild, all new wiring n' fuse boxes, complete suspension rebuild and more. It gave me the opportune time to make the car better. Big alternator, Spal fans for cooling, larger a/c condensing, Sanden a/c compressor, MB a/c blower motor, fast window re-wire, slight window tint and a few other improvements making the car a better driver without compromising the essence of the great experience of this classic vintage Ferrari. And when you look at it other than the Sanden compressor you don't see anything out of place.

    A couple of years ago I drove 821 miles between homes in FL and NC on a 100 degree humid summer day. The car stayed cool and so did I. The 330 is really a very user friendly car to drive. After having 16 different Fcars over the last 40 years I can say the GTC has always been and remains my favorite. My first was my only car for years where I put over 100k miles on it through thick and thin. After selling my first GTC in 85 I bought my second in 04. It is still the fav and the last car I would sell.

    So in my own way I think I can have my cake and eat it too.....lol!!
     
  46. aero

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    You are right on it, this year we went for a more modern sports car where also my wife would find herself comfortable in. We went for a V8 Vantage. When we bought it we also took a visit to the neighbours, same dealership also sells Ferrari. To be honest these cars did very little for both of us. Classic Ferrari (Dino GT4) stays though. That design is so good, also one of the last cars they made with a body that was filled with lead to get rid of all the panel gaps.
     
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    My problem with the newer Ferraris is that the styling Department has resorted to copying other cars like Hyundai or Honda that have some styling gimmick on them that gets some attention so they stick something similar on the next Ferrari model. I can't wait to see a new Ferrari with a Camry or Lexus Grille.

    Chuck
     
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    Hi,

    Sorry if this is OT, but like this one?

    Raveau Restoration: A Classic Runabout Returns - boats.com

    Yes, that is scary. Carb'd two-stroke straight six. I have a friend who used to do offshore racing (with podium finishes) but you could never get me in one of those things. I could watch and listen however, from a distance. :)

    Define modern, well you already did. I do have a 1995 456 GT, but although it does not have carburrettors I don't think it's that modern. No airbags, cruise, etc. and of course it is manual 6-sp V12. IMHO it is very classic in many ways. But of course I am biased, if I didn't like it I would not have bought it in the first place.

    I don't hate any modern cars, most of them just don't speak to me. Unlike the classic cars which look and smell much more interesting.

    Cheers,

    Pekka T.
    Fin.

    Ps. Just watched and heard a DC3 take off, disappear for a while and come back and land yesterday evening, twice! Fantastic sound, but I haven 't been onboard, yet! :D
     
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    I was originally going to say that new and old are just SO different that there is no comparison and an affection for one has nothing to do with the other. But yet there is that thing that is the identity of the brand, Ferrari know this and how to make money out if, hence the 70th thing. My wife has a Cali T (as well as co-owning a GTE and a 575). A much maligned car by the purists but I must admit have a ball when she lets me drive it. I guess a Jag XF would have been comparable and cheaper but it would't quite be the same as a car from Maranello.
     
  51. Shark01

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    Rediculous statement, the Lamborghini V-12 line is usually more than a match for most Ferraris of a corresponding time period. For example, my late model Diablo would take out a 550 in most performance measurements. You could debate looks, comfort (every car has better AC than a classic Lamborghini), useability, reliability and so on between the two, but give the brand some credit.

    Hard to like newer Ferraris when the dealers act like such entitled jackasses....

    Here in Houston, the Lamborghini and McLaren dealers want your business,haven't stepped into the FOH showroom in over a decade now after being treated so badly over trying to buy one of those crappy first gen Maseratis.
     

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