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Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by enio45, Sep 23, 2014.
Tom Yang has rebuilt one of these things BTW ...
Thanks Pete - yes he and i talked and he uses Karps as well for some stuff like this.
How is the summer starting in Australia? I planning a trip there later this yr.....
Oops we've moved back to New Zealand, but Australia is a great place and I'm sure you will enjoy your trip.
A little more progress on the car - dash finished off, hood skin mounted on the frame and fitted to the opening....now off to the nose and lower valance and grill!
More updates to the restoration.....we got epoxy primer on the car!!!!!!!!
Radiator Louver cleaned up PERFECT!!
Had the grill stripped so we can fit the grill to the nose and adjust accordingly.
Ill make new slates for the grill so that the look is clean and crisp!
Looking nice and straight with good gaps
More progress on the H - Lamps and rings for fit...i restored these a while back and added the appropriate stencils to the buckets......Tom S hooked me up with the right parts!
Grill is the last item we are doing on the body - yea!
Ill get pics early next week on the grill fit etc.
From here - we will flip the car over and scuff the underneath to get ready for paint.
Other activities include - getting all the engineering drawings for the body side moldings done.
With this complete we can run sets of the molding as needed. Pics to come
Radiator Rod and Cam Cover Bracket
I've been looking for a while for the Cam Cover Bracket that support the radiator rod to stabilize the radiator. To no avail - i borrow both pieces and had some made.....perfect fit - ill sent a batch of these out to get black oxide plated.
Haven't noticed before Marchal turned the headlight assembly upside down later in production. Would consider securing the spring lock to avoid cosmetic damage in case it shakes loose. It does not need to open completely to allow the bullet to pop out putting the bezel and paintwork to risk.
I sent my sun visors and headliner to HVL in the Netherlands. Henk and I talked about the material, grain stitching and overall quality. I was convinced that he was the right guy with the right material to make both pieces.
I also order from him the correct trunk material - I believe all Ellena's had the same trunk material regardless of the interior colors. He sent some samples over for me to compare with my original trunk material and we have a match!!
Below are some pics of the before and after shots of the material etc.
More Pics of the just received pieces
The grab handle is underway.....
Pics of the carpet and close up of the tweed material.
Lastly the trunk area receives a black wool felt material on the inside of the rear quarters, the wheel housings, back of the tail panel and the back side of the trunk.
I did not unroll the material but here is the roll....another great piece from HVL
Considering it has been a while for some progress reports - here is what is happening on the underneath of the car.
sand, prep and prime - taking out the pits and addressing any issues. Primed with black primer and sanded and ready for top coat immediately following painting the car.
This old lady is coming on nicely, thumbs up for the hard work
Don´t forget to weld on the brackets/attachment for the handbrake mechanism on the chassis, I cannot see them right now.
The same as on PF coupe serie one.
OK thank you, let me check the frame again - i believe i have it on the car....it has the 2 holes for the brake cable mounting if i recall?
C......this one at the top of the pic?? ?
Also - here is the finished rear section - new bearings, seals, set the ring and pinion and assembly
Ref the exhaust hangers on the early cars, like the Ellena -
I have seen the exhaust hangers on some Boano car and Ellena cars have the zinc plated ends on the straps painted black. I have also see some restored car just zinc plated.
What is the correct application for the mid to late 50's era cars related to these hangers?
Appreciate the advise
For the first time since 1974 this original motor to the car has now been inserted into the car.
Having been in a crate for all these years, we installed the motor to set up the new exhaust that was made for the car and do the necessary modification now so that upon assembly after paint etc, there are no hassles in the installation.....
Here are some pics of the motor in and some of the setup of the exhaust system.
Ed, thanks for sharing. It's always a treat to see progress pictures of this rare car.
Have you researched how far the tail pipes should stand out?
John thanks for the comments....
I am researching this now....i have one factory picture and several restored car pics.
Any thoughts you have I'm mind?
Looking at the photo - is that some type of tow hitch in the factory photo?? What is that at the rear bumper??
Rather the temporary registration plate...
Some apparatus for the plate but u could be correct....
Does not look like one is on the trunk
Temporary dealer plates, stuck into a heavy leather cover (sort of envelope) with a transparent face, then hung from trunk lid down, over rear bumper, or attached with straps to the bumper. Absolutely normal, even today.
Here is what I was thinking (on a 410 Super America). Looks similar...
I need to get one of those. Anyone got a period picture??
Another period photo for you, September 1958:
Sorry Wayne, but whatever is written on the registration plate, 0879GT is a TdF...
...as I was editing my post. You're too quick!
This photo is Copyright Ted Walker, Ferret Photographics. UK.
The car was brought from Italy to Germany by German race driver Wolfgang Seidel (owner of TDF 0879 GT) and he just fabricated a handwritten cardboard license plate with the chassis number of the TDF and put it on the rear of the Ellena to drive it over the border from Italy thru Switzerland to Germany (using the paperwork of his TDF......). This photo was taken in the spectator car park of the Autodromo di Monza.
Interesting- bumper guards!
I thought first high roof Ellena was 0711GT. Do you agree ??
Ed, you're doing the right thing by looking at original pictures. I was just trying to bring your attention to it because I've noticed that in restorations, there is a tendency to take these tail pipes out farther than they should be.
I get myrechromed rear bumper later this week
Ill mount it and see how the pipes look and how much trimming i need to do
That's what everyone says, but I honestly have no way of knowing for sure. 0701 GT is a low roof coupe, but I've never seen a photo of 0699 GT. If you have one, please share!
Found this on the net; shows the tailpipes' relationship to the bumper.
No pic of 0699GT but as 0701GT was a low roof as you said, I would be tempted to say 0699GT is a low roof too...
The first high roof, 0711GT, was shown at the 1957 Turin Motor Show.
Having looked at as many photo's as possible with all your help and others on the web, there are no real great side shots of the orig photo's to determine the correct distance of the end of the pipe out from the bumper of the car.
Am i safe to say they extend a little, not a lot, and if i go about 2 inches out that would be
safe and appropriate look?
Ed, my take of the old pictures is that two inches past the rear bumper is too much. The down side of have the pipes tucked closer is that every time you drive it you'll have a build-up. But you'll just have clean it more and treat the metal with wax.
One more photo. And thanks fo sharing the restoration of your car.
John, drive it ....im suppose to drive it??
I don't want to sidetrack Ed's thread, so to quickly summarize:
1. Yes, 0701 is a low roof car (verified by photos).
2. Yes, 0711 is a high roof car (well known, photos, first high roof car shown publicly).
3. Chassis were not always delivered to coachbuilders in sequential order.
4. Cars were not always completed by the coachbuilder in the order received.
5. There are little to no coachbuilder records (body configuration, paint & interior colors, etc) extant on the Boano/Ellena series of cars.
6. I have personally never seen a confirmed image of 0699 GT.
Does it seem more likely than not that 0699 was a low roof car? Sure it does. It it overwhelmingly likely? I would say not.
As an interesting aside, when Boano sold the Carrozzeria to Ellena, he listed seven completed automobiles as company assets. (I would assume the amounts payable on the cars were Boano's assets and not the cars themselves, which belonged to Ferrari). For the longest time, it was widely accepted that there were only seven low roof Ellenas, represented by the seven cars documented as part of this transaction. Of course, we now know of at least nine confirmed low roof Ellena coupes, so it's easy to see how these widely accepted concepts can turn out to be entirely inaccurate.
So back to the light colored Ellena driven to from Germany to Monza by Seidel in 1958. I have two Ellena coupes originally delivered to Auto-Becker, West Germany--0699 GT and 0765 GT--yet I have very little information on either. In 2008, 0765 GT was purchased in the UK as a bare chassis by Will Tomkins (F-Chat username 246tasman) to be mated with the Vignale coupe body from 0036/M. I know nothing about 0765 GT prior to 2008. I also have nothing on 0699 GT, but (for whatever reason) I enjoy entertaining the idea that it could have been the first high roof Ellena, despite the widely held belief that this honor belongs to 0711 GT.
Ed, Boano pics that might be helpful:
0575 GT of Dr. Harry Zweifel, Switzerland, at the Vienna-Aspern airfield in Austria on 15 May 1958.