Ferrari 458 Italia SP12 - Eric Clapton

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  1. 430 scuderia

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    #1 430 scuderia, Oct 23, 2011
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    Hello guys. Any news about Eric's Clapton Ferrari 458 V12..?? Does anyone know if the construcrion have started??

    Thank you in advance..
     
  2. JazzyO

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    I reported on Eric Clapton's car a couple of weeks ago in the Boxer section. I was at the factory as it was being finished and test driven, but unfortunately we just missed the car and didn't see it.

    My contacts in the factory told me it is a 458 that has been given a different body, a modern variant of the Boxer. It is not a V12 - to get a V12 458 on the road would be very, very, difficult and expensive because it would need new crash tests etc.. To replace the body is much easier. At least - this is what I was told.

    I am sure that the story of the V12 came from the fact that all Boxers are 180 degree V12's.

    It is a shame that we haven't seen any pictures of it so far. I do hope they surface at some point as I am very curious to see what this interpretation of the Boxer would look like. It'd be hard to improve on Leonardo Fioravanti's lines!


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  3. Ferrari 360 CS

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    Its hard to imagine a modern version of the Boxer but the result could be stunning.
     
  4. 430 scuderia

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    Oh i understand. With a V12 it would be a monster and a very special spec car.. Thank you very much for the informations JazzyO
     
  5. of2worlds

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    First I have heard that this special 458 was given a different body; any mention of the exterior color? Onno that is very exciting news!
    At least the engine is in the right place for a 'Boxer' theme design.
    I wonder if this 458 model has 3 tail lights on each side of the rear lic plate holder???
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  6. JazzyO

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    Can't tell you anything more than I was told at the Classiche department. They do the one-offs on one side of the department. There was an SA Aperta there being customised to GTO specification, but we just missed the 458 Boxer by half an hour or so. If I could go back in time I would change my visiting hours! It's exciting news but because I haven't heard anything about it from any other source, I'm almost starting to doubt my own story.... :( Anyway, let's hope she surfaces somewhere soon.


    Onno
     
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  8. Bulai69

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    I saw the car very recently; it looks absolutely excellent: obvious BB themes including "two tone" (but dark red metallic not Rosso Corsa), front grill, (dummy) horizonal slats on front boot lid but curved, matt black "carb covers" on engine compartment lid etc etc. It's brilliant because it's obviously not a BB, it has all the style of a 458 on which it's based (it's certainly not a V12) but it's equally obviously 2011. Three have been made: styling dummy, one crash test car and the current (only) real one. I assume the contributor who commented on one being "test driven" must have been referring to the crash test car as the real one is not quite finished. Everyone will want one - but contractually Ferrari can't supply unless EC agrees - and why would he?
     
  9. of2worlds

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    Thanks for the great details about this new one off 458 speciale. Hopefully it's story will grace the pages of 'The Official Ferrari Magazine' in the not too distant future.

    Maybe Elton John will get a modern rendition of the Boxer theme to....
    CH
     
  10. nikey22

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    okay, so Eric Clapton said in an interview, that there is nothing quit like the sound of a V-12 ferrari engine, its music to his ears.... how is he going to accept this "new" Ferrari with a body kit etc etc and a V-8 that all of us mortals have??
     
  11. deppi0

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    I doubt you have one....but I am sure he has a few to enjoy ;-)
     
  12. Bulai69

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    This car is more than a 458 with "body kit" ...
     
  13. atomicskiracer

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    Any information or pictures of the car?

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  16. 16MMM

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    Boxers are technically not 180 degree V12s; by opening the angle of the cylinder banks about the crankshaft to 180 degrees there is no "V", just an opposing (Boxer) 12.
     
  17. JazzyO

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    There is no V shape but in every other way it is a V12, which is why they are classified as a 180 degree V12. This is not my invention but well documented in literature. They are NOT true Boxer engines, true Boxers have any 2 opposing pistons sharing 1 double pin on the crank so that they move towards each other or away from each other in synch. In other words, they fire at the same time. This is not the case with Ferrari's flat 12s.
     
  18. Mitch Alsup

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    Correct, but the Berlinetta Boxer and the TestaRossa did not have boxer engines in them. They had 180 degree V12s.

    A Boxer crankshaft as 2 throws per pair of main bearings, a V has one crank journal per pair of connecting rods.

    Porsche engines are 6 cylinder boxers,
    Ferrari flat 12s are V12s with a 180 degree angle between banks.
     
  19. cesman

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    The car is based on the looks of a BB with 458 mechanicals. The pics I saw were really nice. I believe it's almost finished.
     
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    New for presentation of the car maybe at cavallino classic, when you think?
     
  21. Ferrari 360 CS

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    Sounds really promising because to me the BB shape still looks modern today and combine that with the 458 mechanicals and it the result will be something pretty special.
     
  22. maximilien

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    News for realese pics of th'is car ?
     
  23. cesman

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    The car has been delivered to Mr Clapton apparently. Not seen pics of the finished car - hopefully some time in March I am told.
     
  24. TheMayor

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    It's supposed to look like a rebodied 512 boxer -- not a 458. It's a 458 under the skin but looks like a boxer on the outside.

    That's the latest rumor.
     
  25. JazzyO

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    Latest? I reported that in September.


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  26. TheMayor

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    Yes but that's the latest.
     
  27. cesman

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    That's correct and from early pics I saw it looks stunning. But then the 512 had great proportions.
     
  28. Wolfgang5150

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    Any Update on this? I'll be in Maranello with my wife & kids late March.
    Would love to see this car....
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  29. hotsauce

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    Every time i see this thread bumped, i get my hopes up.. only to be disappointed once investigating..

    sigh*
     
  30. JOEV

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    Me too. It's amazing that there are no pictures of this car (yet).
     
  31. SmokeyJoe

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    I thought Peter Gabriel already had one?
     
  32. JazzyO

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    One of what?


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  33. SmokeyJoe

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    A 458 with V12 engine.
     
  34. JazzyO

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    There have been no reliable reports of a 458 with a V12 engine and someone at a reasonably high level in the factory actually told me it couldn't be done due to homologation issues w.r.t. EU law.


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  35. V-Spec

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    Pardon me, but who is this Eric Clapton?
     
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    He is a very famous accountant.
     
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    Google him.
     
  38. Mitch Alsup

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    One of the 5 dozen people in the world Ferrari would do such a car for.
     
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    I read in last month Forza that there are a few Special cars made that (Custom) that are secret. They apparently delivered 10 custome one off already and i only know of

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    Is Clapton's car part of these 10 custom one offs?

    I would love to know more about the missing 6...
     
  41. poppy84

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    And the car in the video is a F12 prototype.
     
  42. maximilien

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    video is ff prototype
     
  43. atomicskiracer

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    Would be a bit of a shame if the others were just tucked away in a collection somewhere...
     
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    Could this be Claptons 458?
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  45. TheMayor

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    If I were to guess, I would say yes. He wanted it to look like a Boxer and that sure does.

    I'm not sure it's 100% successful though. It looks a bit odd -- I hate to say this but even a bit cartoony retro. The boxer has a lot longer nose in proportion to today's modern cars.

    I'd have to see more before I say I like it.

    But, if it really has 12 cylinders --- all sins are forgiven! :)
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    Enzo headlights?
     
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    There appears to be a flying buttress over the rear quarter panel that I suppose is to give it the illusion of the boxer's rear. Boxer paint also.

    Also notice it's RHD, which would indicate also it's Clapton's car. I think we have the mysterious car here. One funny detail is the 80's style door handle. I'm not sure that's a positive. The interior looks standard with Daytona trim. The gas cap looks "glued on".
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  49. Napolis

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    I don't believe that in the end a V12 was fitted. That may be it. Note paddle shifters.
     
  50. greyboxer

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    Yes - first public showing at HROwen tonight
     
  51. Napolis

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    I've been told this one cost a lot more than P 4/5.
     
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    Jimmie,

    Will you be in attendance? Did you read this somewhere? Just curious, that's all. Thanks for the info.. Personally, I think it looks great, with a DEFINITE tie to the BB of old, I think they did a great interpretation of it. Then again, IMO Ferrari couldn't mess a design up if they tried. Grazie.

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