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Ferraris en Venezuela - Branko remembered July 2, 2011

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  1. Aardy

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    #251 Aardy, Jan 25, 2010
    I understand what you are trying to prove :

    all the Venezuelan Scaglietti spyders had two fins on the wheel nut except :

    - The Pola and Lollobrigida spyder.

    - The Oliver's Ferrari Mercedes.

    - The Yellow stuff.

    - And the strange custom spyder that you called "N 0302 T.F.".

    Only these fours cars had three fins on the wheel nuts and so, you must think that these four spyders are only ONE car and so, the s/n "N 0302 T.F.".

    And 0534 and 0562 always had two fins on the wheel nuts.

    Why not but :

    - why the yellow stuf had large side vents and the Pola/Lollobrigida/Oliver only small vent ??

    - if you agree the early Scaglietti spyder #50 at Caracas 1957 and Bogota in 1959 was s/n 0302TF, why this car had two fins on the wheel nuts ??

    For the last question, I can reply myself : possibly because the ex-factory ex-Marzotto early Scaglietti spyder was not 0302TF but another unkown s/n which could mean the Pola Scaglietti spyder was really 0302TF and not 0534, neither 0562...
     
  2. elmotorizado

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    #252 elmotorizado, Jan 25, 2010
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    This is the Boano in 1965, Fayen used #18 many years.
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  3. elmotorizado

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    #253 elmotorizado, Jan 25, 2010
    You noted a few things but, the Lollobrigida and yellow stuff are out of my equation and possibly the same car, the strange spyder is the Oliver Mercedes that is a fact.

    See above
    Correct but these two are also out of my equation, we know they are in Europe.

    See first answer




    I will appreciate any information that proves that that car is 0302, so far I have only red assumptions.
    If you look at a photo of the original Berlinetta 0302 it had 3 fins, coincidence?
    See above
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  4. elmotorizado

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  5. Aardy

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    #255 Aardy, Jan 25, 2010
    I have found more stuff that I will post soon...
     
  6. Aardy

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    #256 Aardy, Jan 25, 2010
    In fact, only the #87 is a Boano (s/n 0529GT). The #18 is an Ellena and most probably s/n 0745GT.
     
  7. elmotorizado

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    #257 elmotorizado, Jan 26, 2010
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    #259 Sire Bruno de Losckley, Jan 27, 2010

    grazie Mille
     
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    #261 jsalgatti, Jan 27, 2010
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    More from Venezuela:

    1953 Ferrari 500 Mondial s/n 0404

    By some sources and historians, this particular car is considered to be the very first Scaglietti bodied Ferrari, and in 1955, after beeing campaigned in Europe by several drivers (Picard, Tringtingnat, Marzotto, Marzotto brothers, and some others), the car went to South America to take part at the Venezuela Grand Prix, driven by Gilberto Cornacchia (#50). The car was sold in Venezuela and was raced by several drivers, including Raúl Domínguez, who went to Colombia in 1959, winning its class at the Bogotá Grand prix. It went back to Venezuela and since then, I have not been able to stablish its whereabouts.

    For many years, I have been trying to stablish its serial number but its origins are not clear at all and there’s still controversy on wether 0404 is the real one.

    Below, some pictures at the 1954 Mille Miglia and the Bogotá GP
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  12. Aardy

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    #262 Aardy, Jan 27, 2010
    You can see in this thread that we think now this early Scaglietti spyder coud not be 0302TF.

    And if this car had really received s/n 0404MD, it's necessary a restamping of an older s/n as 0404MD is a 1954 s/n and this car was raced already in late 1953.

    I personnaly think that s/n 0386 could be the good one as there is no PF job number for this one and the range fits perfectly with late 1953, but it seems I'm alone to think that, so the debate is still open...
     
  13. elmotorizado

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  15. Umberto Cattani

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    #265 Umberto Cattani, Jan 28, 2010
    Hey Branko

    Do you know the type of Mercedes's engine put on this car?
    Thank you very much for your help.

    Umberto
     
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    #266 willy.henderickx, Jan 28, 2010
    Looks like a 300 SL one

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  17. elmotorizado

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    #267 elmotorizado, Jan 28, 2010
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    Exactly like willy henderickx said it is a 300SL engine, there is a photo in message 174 of this thread, there most be a better one around.
    The results of this race.
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  18. 246tasman

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    #268 246tasman, Jan 28, 2010
    I see there are 2 Ferrari-Mercedes in the results. Is this correct?
     
  19. elmotorizado

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    #269 elmotorizado, Jan 28, 2010
    It was a hillclimb, and Oliver is the one who made the car I assume it can be possible.
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  21. Umberto Cattani

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    #271 Umberto Cattani, Jan 29, 2010
    Thank you very much, Branko!
    You are so kind.
     
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    #272 246tasman, Jan 29, 2010
    Branko

    Have you heard of this second Ferrari-Mercedes before/elsewhere?
    What type of chassis or body

    Will?
     
  23. elmotorizado

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    #273 elmotorizado, Jan 29, 2010
    Will I think it is the same car that both ran, the run was around 8 minutes.
    branko
     
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    #274 elmotorizado, Jan 29, 2010
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