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  1. amenasce

    amenasce Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I usually book flights to France and Brazil once or twice a year. Usually comes at around $800 per head. This year, i cant find anything at less than $1400 for Brazil and $1200 for Paris (out of Chicago).

    I searched for flights in July/August/Sept even November and even March of 2018.

    No major events in Rio this year, gas is cheaper than 2016 and dollar still strong so no reason for the 100% increase.

    What am i missing?
     
  2. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    Has Brazil and/or France increased taxes on flights to/from their country for certain countries? They are not that well off financially so that would be a way to raise revenue. That seems pretty odd though.
     
  3. amenasce

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    Havent heard of anything like this but will read/look into this.
     
  4. CornersWell

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    Airfares are going up - Jul. 13, 2017

    Airfares are going up

    As if flying isn't frustrating enough, airfares are going up for the first time in years.

    Delta Air Lines (DAL) said Thursday that its passengers paid higher fares on average in the second quarter for the first time in more than two years. It also forecast that fares will continue to climb.

    The news follows guidance from American Airlines (AAL) on Wednesday that it will report even steeper fare growth.

    U.S. airlines have been struggling to raise fares in recent years, despite full planes. Low fuel costs had encouraged airlines to add additional flights. That increased competition and capacity in the system and put downward pressure on fares.

    But strong demand for air travel, spurred by those low fares and steady job growth, means that airlines can finally start raising fares.

    Delta said that passengers paid about 1% more to travel in the quarter, and that it expects its key measure of fares to rise an additional 2.5% to 4.5% in the current quarter.

    The airline needed a boost in revenue to help cover higher costs. Fuel costs rose 18% compared to a year ago, and labor expenses rose 9% following a labor deal with pilots that was reached late last year that gave them significant pay hikes. Delta also said the April storms in the Southeast that forced it to cancel thousands of flights cost it $125 million.
     
  5. TheMayor

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    The US may be higher but inside Europe airfares are just crazy.
     
  6. TheMayor

    TheMayor Five Time F1 World Champ
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    Cheapest I got out of LA to Paris on United was $1100. Yes, its nutty. Asia is still cheap though.

    Supply and demand. More people with more money means more people are traveling on pleasure or business.
     
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  8. Rene

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    Crazy up or crazy down? Within Europe I use budget airlines, mostly Ryanair and Easyjet. Their fares seem reasonable, provided booking is done well in advance.
     
  9. TheMayor

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    Crazy UP. Lufthansa.
     
  10. arizonaitalian

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    Or crazy cheap (Ryan Air, EasyJet, etc). I cannot believe how little money I give those guys to take me tons of places during my ~6 months each year in Europe.
     
  11. arizonaitalian

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    $1100 to fly 5000+ miles round trip? In 11 hours? Pretty amazing to me.
     
  12. arizonaitalian

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    I just today researched flights from Krakow to Buenos Aires, round trip on Lufthansa, great connection in Frankfurt. $1300. I wrote my GF telling her the airfares are CHEAP, she should join me in Argentina this year.

    How much is the alternative? Car, bus or walk to a boat. Probably a few boats.

    That's likely more money.

    And WAAYYYY longer. Like a week for every hour on the plane or something.

    Air travel is amazing. Ask Louie CK :)
     
  13. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    I had a roundtrip flight from Birmingham, AL to Phoenix, AZ last month on Southwest with a stop in TX each way...it was $500 nearly on the dot. Crazy to me for that. Birmingham to Orlando (1.25 hr flight) I have to pay about $300 or so roundtrip.

    $1,100 for LA to Paris sounds like a deal by comparison. :) Flying out of big cities must be nice. If my flight out of BHM gets canceled, there's nothing available the rest of that day to get on 90% of the time.
     
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  15. TheMayor

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    Yes. Cheap. But how about Florence to Paris round trip at $700?
     
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    Today Ryanair published its quartely figures. Profits up 55%, while the average fare 'rose 1%' to €40. The airline predicts a price war in Europe, with fares decreasing.
     
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    To increase their profit Rayanair demands that that their pilots provide their own planes (like Uber doeas with cars.)
     
  18. Gle8

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    I just booked Denver to Copenhagen for $800 round trip. 1 stop in Frankfurt. Seemed reasonable.
     
  19. amenasce

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    That is. Makes me wonder if demand for my itineraries are just much higher this year.
     
  20. Flavio_C

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    My mother just paid ~$1500 DFW-GRU for 15/12 - 13/01. :(
     
  21. dstacy

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    Seriously? My wife and are traveling like crazy because airfare is so CHEAP! We've been to Europe twice this year for less than $600 roundtrip.
    I'm not trying to be rude but you guys aren't searching hard enough. These are all ROUNDTRIP fares I could book today.

    Chicago to Barcelona, August to December $383 on Air Canada
    New York to Paris, September to April $425 on American Airlines
    New York to Paris, October to November $338 on Icelandair
    Boston to Brussels, August to September $408 on United
    Ft Lauderdale to Paris, October to March $475 on Air France
    Ft Lauderdale to Denmark, November to March $312 on Air Canada
    Dallas to LA $98
    Dallas to San Fran $118
    Houston to LA $118
    Houston to Chicago $120
    and on and on......
     
  22. dstacy

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    #20 dstacy, Aug 4, 2017
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    Now I just randomly picked November of this year for a 1 week trip.
    Take a look at these screen grabs.
    In order they are:
    Baltimore
    Chicago
    Denver
    and LA

    Those are roundtrip prices.....Looks pretty cheap to me.

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  23. dstacy

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    I found those in 60 seconds. If I shopped it I know I could do better.
     
  24. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    LA to Barcelona is $393? That include all taxes and fees?
     
  25. dstacy

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    Yep
     
  26. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    Wow...it is costing me more to fly roundtrip Atlanta to Orlando for new years (of course the holidays, but still).
     
  27. dstacy

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    If you're staying 7 days Delta has Atlanta - Orlando for $251 roundtrip over New Years.
     
  28. willcrook

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    wtf, that's insanely cheap, like 1/3rd of what I pay
     
  29. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    Nah, I'm just going in on Friday and flying back Monday. Cheaper to drive. :(

    Out of curiosity, how low of flights have you found from LA to Tokyo? What travel search place are you using? Other than looking at the airline websites, I use Google Flights and Kayak. I used to use cheapoair.
     
  30. Santiago Montenegro

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    I just did a Florence to Paris round trip for $70.
     
  31. arizonaitalian

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    The "cheap" airlines are coming to america...or at least offering service from europe to america. Many "somewhat smaller cities" routes are now out there from the ryan air international imitators. (too many to list).

    Its a renaissance for low cost airfares imho.
     
  32. dstacy

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    $491 on Air Canada out of San Diego
    $614 out of LAX

    When I'm shopping I use a bunch; secret flying, google flights, points guy, etc.
     
  33. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    Wow! I'm moving to San Diego in June next year. Looks like a Tokyo trip may be in the cards. :)
     
  34. NoSpeedLimit

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    Just booked the flights for our November holidays in Afrika. Frankfurt to Windhok and Victoria Falls to Frankfurt. Return flight on the 29th:900€ pp. Return flight one day later 640€. Not bad for a multi-city flight. I thought they were more expensive.
    We decided to spent another day in a lodge under the African sun instead of immediately returning to the rainy, foggy Northern Hemisphere.
     
  35. amenasce

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    Which website is this?
     
  36. Texas Forever

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    Are you getting these prices flying out of IAH?
     
  37. dstacy

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    That was Google flights. I use quite a few.
     
  38. amenasce

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    Paris flights have gone down now. I can find them at $600 pp. Rio is still around $1100/1300 pp unless you want 2 stops.
     

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