1. I have started the new week 1 FerrariChat Update poll, please vote... http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/ferrarichat-com-update-week-1-poll.560487/
  1. rico

    rico Formula Junior

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  2. rkm

    rkm Karting

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    Interesting crash. Have to wonder exactly what it ran into and caused the crash to take out the whole side like that and yet end up in that position. I'd really like to hear some details about that one
     
  3. PeterS

    PeterS Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Thats sad. Anyone hurt?
     
  4. rico

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    Don't know specific details but crew is shook up but ok.

    The Reyland Escort rolled at high speed but the rollcage saved their lives.

    Lots of crashes this year but no casualties.
     
  5. pdiack

    pdiack Karting

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    Here's what it looked like a few days ago..
    normal_Picture-131.jpg
     
  6. pdiack

    pdiack Karting

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    I read that the Red Enzo crashed - you guys know if this is rumor or truth?
     
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  8. rico

    rico Formula Junior

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    The Enzo crash is still a rumour at the moment.

    Haven't seen any pics... the second i see some i'll post them :)
     
  9. rkm

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    Heard a Lambo crashed at some point as well, but nothing more than rumors. Anyone know anything more?
     
  10. rico

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    Lamborghini Murcielago crashed into the back of a truck... thats pretty much definite.

    Re. Enzo... anyone speak Norweigan??

    Noen gikk fra hus til hus for å bomme bensin, mens et norsk team og en ferrari ENZO (!!) måtte bruke noen gangstertriks for å stjele fra en stengt bensinstasjon.

    ?????
     
  11. ClassicFerrari

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    Don't speak Norweigan! Damn.....but it doesn't look too good. lol


    All kidding aside, i really hope everyone makes it safe.

    Vasco.R
     
  12. robiferretti

    robiferretti F1 Rookie

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    when did the gumball 3000 start?
     
  13. Lukas

    Lukas Formula Junior

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    im swedish so its pretty hard to understand norweigan, but its something like:

    Someone went from house to house to "bomme" (dont know what that means) gas. But a norweigan team and a Ferrari Enzo had to brake in somewhere to steal gas from a closed gasstation.

    Man dont really get this but thats what the text says....strange....
     
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  15. ghost

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    Whole front of the car is carved out. Unbelievable!
     
  16. WJHMH

    WJHMH F1 World Champ
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    Oh man what a shame, but an event like this is never without incident. I just hope no one was foolish to hurt any innocent bystanders.
     
  17. rico

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    Thats really strange... must be a joke or something...

    would make some sense though... out in Moroco with little or no gas stations... having to go from house to house asking for gas... hhhmmm
     
  18. GTO84

    GTO84 Formula Junior

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    Wow! those graphics were cool. Did they sideswipe an oncomeng train or get run over by a tank?
     
  19. Wasco

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    Looks more like the blunt end of a K rail at 120, pretty clean slice. Hope the guys are alright, considerably shaken no doubt.
     
  20. TestShoot

    TestShoot F1 World Champ
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    amazing that the toebox is intact. I'd expect to see someone loose a leg on that.
     
  21. TimN88

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    As much as i dont want to say it... its only a matter of time.
     
  22. Gimme Fuel

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    I'M NORWEGIAN - I'M GONNA TRANSLATE IT FOR YOU IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES


    Paul
    www.SuperCarCrash.com
     
  23. silverf1modena

    silverf1modena Formula Junior

    Man, Like I posted in the other thread. I hope everyone is ok. Cars are replaceable but lives aren't. That 360 is pretty bad, I hope all the people are safe.
     
  24. Gimme Fuel

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    It says:
    "Someone walked from house to house begging for fuel, while a Norwegian team and a Ferrari Enzo(!!) had to use some dirty tricks by stealing gas from a closed gas station.

    Where has this been printed??????


    Paul
    www.SuperCarCrash.com
     
  25. rico

    rico Formula Junior

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    The norweigan bit came from gumball.no in their latest report. I was looking for information on the rumour about the crashed Enzo so just copied it across as it mentioned Enzo. The site is translating the full bit soon... but i couldn't wait :D
     
  26. KEFLON

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    would insurance companies pay out if u crashed during the gumball rally ????
     
  27. rico

    rico Formula Junior

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    I've been thinking about this. I would expect the way most British insurance companies try to get out of paying up it would be tough. With the amount of publicity these events get it would be very hard for them to say "i was just driving along in france....". I would be very interested to know if they successfully claim or not.
    Rumour has it that Lonman (GT2 with Union Jack on roof) couldn't get insured for his last US Gumball so just drove 'carefully'... his words not mine! hehe
     
  28. maranelloman

    maranelloman Guest

    I swear, that "race" is the dumbest thing I have heard of. Driving those speeds, that carelessly, on open public roads? I am not surprised crap like this happens.

    TAKE IT TO THE TRACK, you insecure wankers. Geez!!!!!!!!
     
  29. Monkie

    Monkie Karting

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    I agree 110% with you.
     
  30. JH

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    It's not a race, it's a rally. There's no price or anything. It's just a lot of people getting together having fun and partying with nice cars. Those ****ers driving that fast is their own problem, not something to blame the Gumball.
     
  31. maranelloman

    maranelloman Guest

    Wrong, as usual, Jonas. The Gumball promotes its on-the-road "antics" as an intehral part of the whole experience. While I agree that accidents are the direct responsibility of those involved, the organizers aggressively promote reckless behavior at absurd speeds on public roads in cars usually much more capable than their drivers. Is it any wonder that there are serious accidents? It is a true miracle that there have not already been deaths.

    If you wanna have stis sort of "rally", at least be smart & do what FNA does for its rallies' high-speed sections: close the roads & require helmets.

    And again, it is only insecure wankers who feel the need to prove their motoring "prowess" on open public roads.

    IMO, of course..
     
  32. Monkie

    Monkie Karting

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    Trust me...when the first death comes along then you can say "bye bye" to Gumball.
     
  33. JH

    JH F1 Rookie
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    Have you watch the Gumball: THE movie dvd? - The promoter Maximillion Cooper does not promote fast and reckless behavior. It's the word afterward from all the participants who promotes the fast driving. The Gumball is not about speed, it's about adventure and exotic cars. While I agree with you, that these accidents wouldn't happen if it wasn't for the race. So in that way, it is responsible for all the fast driving. But my point is, that they don't promote wreckless and fast driving as a part of the gumball.
     
  34. Monkie

    Monkie Karting

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    Where can you get the Gumball DVD?
     
  35. JH

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  36. maranelloman

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    Jonas, you are correct: that VIDEO does not promote recklessness. However, read the promo materials, the registration materials, all the breathless lead-ups to the event. Heck, I am on their email list--I have received dozens of them over the last 2 years!!! The video is not their problem.

    Again, wrecks are the responsibility of those insecure wankers involved--I don't dispute that. However, the promoters DO create an environment that says anything goes, any behavior, any speed, any deliberate contempt for the rules of the road, any flagrant violation of basic safety common sense is at least tolerated if not encouraged. Were this not the case, the assholios who repeatedly run each other & other vehicles off the road, drive on shoulders to pass at 160 mph in traffic, etc etc etc on those videos WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED TO RUN THE RLLY AGAIN.

    The fact that this did not, has not, and likely will not happen proves me right.
     
  37. JH

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    Agree, to the fullest. They do create idea and eviroment that anything goes. You're right. I just think we misunderstood eachother :)
     
  38. Wasco

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    There will always be temptations to do stupid things in life! We can stick our head in the sand and just hope it doesnt happen or we can take some sort of action> IMO events like this will take place as organized and open like this or not so and much more clandestine and dagerous. We as a concerned group of intellects should get involved in these events in a positive way instead of just arm chair complaining. In this case I would think getting involved in some sort of self-policing such as kicking there @sses out of the gumball if they do this.
     
  39. johnw

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    sorry to ruin the rant but i would love to run in the gumball!
     
  40. 4i2fly

    4i2fly Formula 3

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    I don't know about stupid wankers trying to do a rally, I think it is a lot of fun and exciting to drive insanlely fast on those open roads. I saw the last Gumball rally video from NY to LA (2003) and man that was insane and looked so much fun!
    I go to the track regularly, but nothing changes the fact that an open road has a lot more grip, and you can see a lot further and can open up the car to its speed limit. I don't know of any tracks around here that let's me do that, so I also take the open roads early in the morning to get some speed rush through my blood.

    Cheers,

    P.S. At some point or another all of us have sped on the open roads, let's be honest with each other.
     
  41. cab7104

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    In relation to the environment causing the stupid speeds, someone who I went to school with was a very responsible driver. He decided to race once, and off the line pinched the shock of his 72 Nova. It flipped his car, and put his wife in the hospital for 3 months. He didn't usually race, and never drove fast when not on the track.One mistake can put you in a rough place, whether the event is a group or not. Luckily for my friend, he and his wife survived, and he has lived a good life from there on out. This kind of story makes me want to drive more carefully, but I would still drive in the Gumball, and still plan on it. Like you both agreed to, its the people, not the event.

    Craig
     
  42. 308guy

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  43. Stackhouse

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    FYI,
    The 360 Rear ended a tractor sendind them both off the road. I understand the driver suffered a bloody nose and passanget is OK. I have no clue what happened to the tractor's driver.

    As for the crazy driving. It seems that over time it is becoming more reckless and there are more accidents. Always gonna be someone trying to break a previous record or top a previous stunt.

    My .02

    PD
     
  44. maranelloman

    maranelloman Guest


    It's cool, Jonas. Imagine that--common ground!!

    :)
     
  45. zjpj

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    Of course they impicitly promote the speed! The promos for last year's movie (which I haven't seen) hail the Koenigsegg for going 240 mph.

    I think they are crazy and dangerous, but I still take guilty pleasure in watching the footage...
     
  46. Malfoy

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    maranelloman:
    *complain**complain* and please if you dont mind *complain* some more. As your mother always said: If your friends jump off a bridge, you gonna do it? How about if i tell you too? I don't care what the event "promotes". There is no incentive being given to carry out what you claim is being promoted. [Theres a BIG difference between paying someone something to do something and just saying "wouldnt it be cool to.." as far as the law and common sense is concerned]
    I think its safe to say that majority if not all of these people in the gumball are of legal age and possibly just possibly, OLD ENOUGH TO FORM THEIR OWN OPINIONS on matters. These aren't high schoolers, they should be above peer pressure, or some email/posters that say "no rules!". I think I'll put a sign up that says "No rules, do what you want" and wait for someone to complain I'm inciting anarchy, or an act of terrorism even. That'll be fun.

    maranelloman, its nothing personal, so please dont take it that way. I just get all hot and bothered when people blame what they beleive to be the influence(be it this, or video games, music, movies, tv, etc) than the people who made the decisions(you know those crazy news stories). I dunno, but i'm just guessing that 90% of the gumballers are more than well off and dont have too many issues from childhood:bad parenting, abuse, etc. So their behavior can really only be blamed on themselves. Not some brit who says "hey rich young adults, come bring ur cars and lets drive!"
     
  47. ciao baby

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    360 Spyder why,why, why dont be dead dude.....
    "Fr some reason I had a Bill and Ted flashback when reading this post..
    There should be some kind of penalty for wrecking an exotic while doing something dumb a$$ off a race track.\\MK
     
  48. 348uk

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    I'm sure that I saw this 360 spider traveling on the A303 Ilminster by-pass (just outside of Yeovil Somerset) heading towards London on Monday last week. (Bank Holiday Monday)

    The plate 'WA' means that it was registered in the South West, perhaps supplied by Carrs in Exeter, it was coming from that direction.

    It really saddens me to see it like it is now. Why treat such a machine with no respect? I know that accidents happen, but I'm guessing that due to the nature of the event, that this was down to speed and carelessness.

    I suppose if you wanna die, then what better place to be sat......

    Does anybody know this guy?
     
  49. Z0RR0

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    Personally, I love the "anything goes" aspect. Does that mean you have to drive 180mph all along? hell no. I feel like it encourages people to use their brain, with more or less success, I admit. Does it get out of hand? Somewhat. Should supercar rallies be banned because they create a road-racing mood? Hardly possible.

    BTW, do you think it would change a thing if the organizer said "no speeding, people"? It's politically incorrect to say "do whatever you want" ... but it does fit perfectly the spirit of Canonball Run (the movie). It gives whiners a chance to b!tch and moan ...
     
  50. Stackhouse

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    I think that the ultimate punishment for wrecking an exotic is having your picture taken and shown to everyone in the world... GOOD JOB ASS CLOWN!
     
  51. PSk

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    Yep very sad and stupid. It is always the innocent people that seem to get hurt more ... and while no children are (hopefully) entered they could be out driving with their parents.

    Why does the police/army not stop this stupid ****. All it does is fnck it for the rest of us and we get this stupid speed kills focus from the police, because of these wankers, and thus you get booked for 5mph over the speed limit.

    I'm glad I live in Australia, because I would hire a fncken BIG truck and block their path and then shoot holes in ALL their tyres, if I lived over their ... :D :D

    Pete
     
  52. PSk

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    There are many rallies organised where speed is not the incentive and drivers play the game ... but most I can think of still close the road to the public.

    The Targa Tasmania has 2 sections (atleast), the all out race and a classic rally. They close the roads and you get to race on normal roads.

    That is how responsible organisers do it.

    NO MOTORSPORT EVENT OR TOUR OR RALLY OR ANYTHING SHOULD ENDANGER THOSE THAT HAVE NOT ENTERED.

    Imagine if it was YOUR family that was involved in an accident.

    Can the FIA do anything to stop this event?, as I might contact them ... and I am serious.

    Pete
     

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