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  1. TX348

    TX348 Rookie

    Sep 2, 2008
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    Need help
    My 348 TS is currently sitting in a couple of feet of water and it looks like I won't be able to get to it for at least another week or so. Can anyone recommend someone here in Houston that can take care of her after I get her out? She has always been serviced by Norwood performance in Dallas but that's a long way away
     
  2. dm_n_stuff

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  3. UroTrash

    UroTrash Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Sorry for your loss.

    But I'll have to ask, if a hurricane is coming, why one would not get their Ferrari out of harm's way?

    Surely radar showed the hurricane coming for several days?
     
  4. Island Time

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    you don't want any car that's been in 2' of water. Total it.
     
  5. silver1331

    silver1331 Formula Junior
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    I had a vehicle get flooded in a parking garage (burst pipe) and most likely the car will be totaled. Generally insurance companies will declare a vehicle a total loss if water has breached the inner sill.
     
  6. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    It is super hard to get flood cars reliable again which is why they are totaled by insurance cos. Best to total it or sell it cheap to someone who would make a racecar out of it. But if you love that 348 it is one of the easiest Ferraris to rebuild because there are so few incestuous electronic systems. There is only 2 ecus in a 348 where you got many ecus in a 458 and several wiring harnesses so lots of stuff to buy. Then the sweat equity you would have to put in or labor hours you need to pay for would be big to say the least.
     
  7. energy88

    energy88 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Sorry to hear of your loss.
     
  8. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    PM sent.....mine is dry so I have time to go get it.

    Tow trucks are hard to find right now understandably, but my Metal Shop has a trailer and winch.

    Let's go get it.
    Alan
     
  9. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    I am sure Sphere is swamped.....LOL!
    They are six block s south of White Oak.

    Once on a trailer I suggest this independent up here in Woodlands.
    They work on the older cars.

    He can take a shot at "submersion conversion" or get a nice estimate for your underwriter to work with.
     
  10. Dave rocks

    Dave rocks F1 World Champ
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    I'm sorry to say, the cost to restore the car just won't align with the value. But, if you can do the bulk of the work yourself and the car has sentimental value, it can be turned around. Good luck with it - I hope it works out for you.
     
  11. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    My neighbors were amazed at my work in two feet of running water!

    Big ropes, cable winches, jack stands...

    It certainly LOOKED odd, perched out of water on jack stands surrounded by flooded "regular cars"....but it was dry and started the next day.

    I warned them that if a picture made the 'net, I was going to be mad!
    And they see me carry guns all the time...LOL!

    I finally found the timber blocks I was looking far so valiantly...the FIAT Spider was already perched on them in Garage #3!!

    Found it yesterday!
     
  12. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    348 is $55K to $75, from our ads.....that will buy a lot of CRC....
     
  13. drjohngober

    drjohngober Formula 3

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    Hey , the Bugatti survived a launch into the gulf ( wayward pelican if I recall correctly) and was miraculously rebuilt without an issue :)
     
  14. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    That guy went to Federal Prison for insurance fraud.

    Seriously, my insurance company has NO idea where my Ferraris and Ducatis were, last Sunday!!
    "Somewhere in ZIP Code 77008, why??" :D :D :D

    Those of you saying "just move it" do not understand how far, and how deep, this water was over traditional "low areas of concern".
     
  15. Dave rocks

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    The car will become a total loss from the insurance company, assuming no agreed valve policy, based on Hagerty (concours condition)...$69K value. Then, he would need to buy it back for some amount. Say he net's $55K. It will cost a whole bunch to bring the car back to life and when it's done, it will have a salvage title.

    I'm very sorry for the OP's loss, but my other post stands.
     
  16. smg2

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    Sorry to hear, but yeah, it's a total loss. The electronics are not the big issue here as the 348 is not overly intensive in that regard. The interior is shot, the wiring will be shot and water will corrode in places you can only imagine. It's a parts car at this point unfortunately. That's the problem, the sheer amount of labor to strip it down to dry it out and sort all the issues makes it a total loss. Very sorry to hear.

    For those not aware, Ferrari did not 'pot' or fully seal the connectors and wiring loom ends of the harness even up to the 360. Once submerged water will ingress into the wiring under the insulation and corrode the harness from the inside out, guaranteed. I've seen it and delt with it more then once. As we can all imagine the cost to strip down and replace the entire chassis and engine harness would exceed the value instantly. And that's just the electrical harness, ECU's and all sensors that use chassis ground (all of them) will need to be replaced as well.
     
  17. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Agree, but we have NO idea what coverage he actually has.

    Only a Certified ReBuilder can buy an insurance loss, I recently faced that, with my daughter's low miles car (Saturn Sky crushed from the rear).

    As my Body Shop pointed out, CARFAX had already destroyed the equity!!
    I was just being neighborly....:D

    There's a garage of cars (Ferraris and others) on DUBS that well never roll again.
     
  18. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Houston is hurting, I am trying to be cheerful!!!
     
  19. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    Probably because there are more important things to take care of and it was likely insured anyway.

    OP, sorry to hear what happened to your car. Having something one works hard for like a house or nice car taken away in an instant must be terrible. I can't imagine what that must be like.

    If it has sentimental value, you could probably buy a wiring harness and interior from some Fcar salvages places. Only do that if it has sentimental value otherwise it's not cost-effective.
     
  20. TX348

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    Sep 2, 2008
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    Yeah... We saw it coming. Supposed to be no big deal. Jack stands wouldn't have helped unless I could get it for a 5ft above the garage floor. I have jack stands just so everyone knows. the news said that it's forty Thousand Years since there's been this much rain. My garage is at least 6ft above Street grade no one saw this coming. Once the reservoirs filled up there was nowhere else for the water to go so it just continued to back up it was coming in faster than they could let it out.
    I think it's the insurance company's problem at this point. Oh well, I always did want a Pantera, lol
    It does have sentimental value, I acquired it right after the divorce from the X2 but at this point it is what it is
     
  21. Dave rocks

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    Just be sure to fight to get the highest value. Don't let them use Hagerty values - NADA are usually higher. Get a pro to give an appraisal. It's going to be hard to argue condition so say it was mint. Don't settle for a bad payout. Hopefully you get enough to find and buy a better one :)
     
  22. cmt6891

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    The car should be totaled as all flood cars should be. If you are fortunate to buy it back by negotiating a price higher than the usual car breakers, then part it out. All but the electrical and interior has value. The big quesion is how much value? Always wondered what a flood car, like this one, would the insurance company sell for to a dismantler.
     
  23. TheMayor

    TheMayor Nine Time F1 World Champ
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    If you get a Pantera make damn sure you have someone look at the frame rails for rust. You don't want to be jumping out of a frying pan into the fire.

    And, always look at the bright side of things.
     
  24. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Not true. drivetrain total loss too. You can't just dry out crankcases with water oil mix. You have to tear down clean out and reseal everything. I would never buy a flood engine for example. But the core of the motor is fine as long as it didn't sit so long as to rust and seize.
     
  25. Andy 355

    Andy 355 Formula Junior

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    I wonder how many un insured cars are out there after being flooded and then 'rescued' .......... your insurance company can't total loss your ferrari if its not insured....
     

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