Huracan LP640 Performante

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  1. Jo Sta7

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    The part that stands out most is the 36 second decrease from the standard Huracan which is already a really fast road car. Thats a flipping massive reduction in time.
     
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  3. schumacher12345

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    Until Sport Auto or someone else runs the Huracan LP640 around ring this time is fabricated.

    We all saw that Aventador SV was no where close to time it ran on ring with journalists or any head to head test.
     
  4. kingjr9000

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    Actually, they now sell the ring time setup to customers.
    http://www.nismo.co.jp/en/news_list/2016/news_flash/16013.pdf
     
  5. kingjr9000

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    How so? It was 10secs faster than the 700-4, with both on corsas. If SA is usually about 10secs or more off pace with a factory driver, then that about makes sense.
     
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    Whether you agree with the time or not, the car kicks quite a bit of butt. With a NA motor and new aerodynamics it deserves a top spot on the podium.
     
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  8. robert biscan

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    If the car said Ferrari would you believe it instead of Lambo?
     
  9. Jo Sta7

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    Personally, no. Ferrari has always had a reputation of inflating performance claims.
     
  10. robert biscan

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    Fair reply. I went to the Miami unveiling and the car and engineering is awesome. I'm not sure either.
     
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    if it said Porsche I would believe
     
  12. robert biscan

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    The base model I have is fast as hell. The car really has a lot of power. Never tracked it yet but I think it would be very fast.
     
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    I find it funny that people are so upset that other are not taking Lambo's word as the absolute truth. Esp after all the cheating that has been going with VW.

    I would love to believe it because i love Lambos and as other have said it will just make Porsche and Ferrari try even harder if it's true but the fact is that we will most likely never know if the vid is sped up or if the car is a spec car or if they used an edited video to show the best times of each portions of the track.

    Same as we never saw the Mclaren video.

    The only way for such a time to be relevant is to get a customer car, hire a pro driver with 0 ties to VAG and hire a team to measure the laptime. Use road tire and regular gas.

    Until then all these videos are just propaganda that mean little to anyone who gives it some thought.
     
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  15. kingjr9000

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    I have some pretty solid evidence, this guy is using some trickery! Here: I looked at the actual 918 video, and I noticed on the real tacho, the speed is 230-235kph, while the video he uses, has it at 255kph. He's looking at the wrong tacho.
     
  16. NürScud

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    Actually there are other cars capable of beating the 918 Spyder. The TIKT Corvette C6 ZR1 XXX did that at the Sachsering, remember? But as the track is partly owned by Porsche... However, most of you certainly know that Audi owns Lamborghini. And Audi, of course, is part of the Volkswagen Group, just as Porsche. So guess why only a Lamborghini was allowed to have a serious go at the track record...

    Just saying..
     
  17. kingjr9000

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    Yes. Click on the link in the video he posted, and you'll see its not even the record lap for the 918.
     
  18. Jo Sta7

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    He says this in the video, nothing to report.
     
  19. kingjr9000

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    But thats the problem. Between the two videos, there are certain places where the car is slower, and certain places where its faster. Just like in the lambo video (I dont like using it since the speedo is inaccurate, but whatever), there were places where it had more speed than the 918 or where it braked later. He never mentions that. He picks certain things to support his claims. He even bashes lambo fans in the intro.
     
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    Well ya, no crap. No two laps are completely the same. There's going to variability in breaking and acceleration.
     
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    #119 kingjr9000, Mar 3, 2017
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    You dont get it. What I'm saying is that, he's making it out as if the actual 918 lap is faster in all corners, as opposed to the video he used. Therefore, if the Performante is slower on the video he used, then its even worse on the actual 918 lap. Thats what I'm trying to get at. Plus, the fact that he "mentioned" the P1's claim of fast sectors he's definitely targeting lambo.
     
  22. Jo Sta7

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    He didn't claim that, that's an erroneous claim on your part. He clearly states that he labeled the corners in which the Huracan was faster and which ones the 918 was faster and which ones are even. He also says the 918 is just faster more often. What video exactly are you watching?
     
  23. kingjr9000

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    Im watching the "Fake? lamborghini huracan performante at the nurburgring."
    The actual lap time video of the performante.
    The actual lap of the 918, but catching glimpses of the speed when its possible.
    He also mentions that the 6:57 time could be faster @ around 2:25-2:49 in his video

    First, He's getting the original 7:28 Huracan time from Sport Auto, NOT Lambo's actual Huracan time. Second, he's way off on what Lambo has won in motorsports.

    He's getting his 918 speeds from the 7:00 lap and assuming that those times are equal or faster during the actual lap time. There are cases where thats true, and there are cases where its slower. He could have just got the actual video and used the speed that was available. Then he mentions shadows on trees and the sun's angle? That could easily be camera position. Then he mentions the gantry speed of the 918 @ 255kph, and Huracan @ 244. The actual video was 918 @237-240kph. Then the T15(?) sign was around 285kph in the 918, and the Huracan was around 290kph, 280 if you do the speedo error or whatever, but maxed out around 300kph.

    So what do you think?
     
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    #122 Jo Sta7, Mar 3, 2017
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    I think you're making up numbers
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    #123 kingjr9000, Mar 3, 2017
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    Its blurry, but its the actual video. Its right after T15
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    considering the aero, power and newer tech for the AWD I would say fully believable. The cornering speeds are amazing and he is not having to saw at the wheel which means the software programming of the diffs and suspension are incredible.
     
  27. Jo Sta7

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    I can't make anything out of note. But dude I don't analyze YouTube videos we've read enough of each other's posts for you to know that about me. If Lambo says they did it, I'll believe it. After all, I can actually get a Huracan P. 918's are silly prices. And I'm happy the game has been moved forward. Who knows though, maybe Porsche will bring a production 918 to the ring and run a 6:51 lol. Also, im pretty sure the SCG will run 6:4x so Lambos crown will be short lived.
     
  28. kingjr9000

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    Oh, I know you're not one for youtube analytics. It just upsets me that someone would go through such lengths to discredit the car, by using biased numbers. If he would have used the actual lap instead of the one he did, he would see that its pretty different compared to the record run. And on top of that, its beginning to spread like a virus.
     
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    Don't get upset. Life's too short. Cars are for fun, not to make you upset.
     
  30. kingjr9000

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    I know.
     
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    Well, you can add the timer/speed layout after speeding up the video.

    I hope Lamborghini says something soon or we will have to wait for Sport Auto Nordschleife lap later this year.
     
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    According to this link, the Trofeo R compund on the car was designed within' 3 months specifically for the record.

    Lamborghini sets new Nürburgring lap record on P Zero Trofeo R tyres : Tyrepress

    Maybe Mr. YouTube man's argument will be more compelling if, for whatever reason, this tire isn't available to actual customers.

    Otherwise, the guy presenting the argument comes across as having made his judgement before he even put his evidence together. Very hard to take him serious.
     
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    im not a rocket scientise, race car driver, race engineer, but i'd assume you would need to know the average speed down to the fraction of a second for every part of the track to look at the speedometer to know for sure. i mean if you are going faster you may need to break earlier. there has to be a point where breaking earlier causes you to lose time. i don't know if they hit that on a track, but i think entrance and exit speeds of videos (which may not even have accurate readings (is the speed off the speedo or a GPS?) doesn't give a full picture.

    i don't know if they faked it or not, i don't really care as I'm lucky if i can get a $40k car forget worrying about a $400k car. It does seem they have more to lose by lying about a 6:52 car then they would have to gain. i mean even if their time was actually 7:05 people would say this car was amazing.
     
  34. Bas Jaski

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    It's my opinion they lied, because anyone with a remote understanding of physics knows that just by losing a couple of KG and adding slightly more power doesn't result in a 36 SECONDS gain in lap time. Yes I know it's got a bit more aerodynamics and and clever diffs, but that still is not near enough to warrant such a huge gain.

    And no, Lamborghini isn't the only one that does it, they all do, just the extend of cheating (or ''manipulating'' if you will) varies. It's all pointless. There's a very small group of owners of such cars that can actually drive a car to it's limits on the Nurburgring anyways.

    I'm not a hater. I love Lamborghini's.
     
  35. howydo

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    Bottom line :

    Roll cage (most manufacturers do it )
    No passenger seat (roll cage makes up for weight)
    Great driver
    Tires, tires and tires (good for 10-15 sec easily on a track like this )
    Revised suspension , revised gear box, weight loss , revised brakes and more hp and torque
    Oh yeah don't forget about the ALA

    All this adds up to 30-35 secs (believable)

    I've had many ferraris and Mclarens along with Lamborghinis in the past
    My new Performante will be here in August --it's the real deal believe it or not


    It's the WHOLE PACKAGE that makes it what it is ..
    There will always be doubters but I'm just enjoying the ride ..
     
  36. Jo Sta7

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    An F12 and a Huracan P seems like it would be a pretty great two car garage.
     
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  38. kingjr9000

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    It seems that even Racelogic has posted their thoughts about it:

    Real or Fake? There is some controversy brewing over the recent video posted by Lamborghini showing a 2017 Huracan Performante clocking a 6m52s lap of the ring. This piqued our interest, so here is our (somewhat geeky) analysis:
    The distance between the gantry and bridge is 1727m which was calculated in Circuit Tools using some customer VBOX data. This was then confirmed using the measuring tool in Google Earth. We then integrated the speed from the on-screen telemetry data on the Lambo every second using the built-in video time-stamps to obtain distance travelled. This data was obtained by stepping through the video in a video editor and entering the displayed speed every second into Excel. When integrated, the telemetry data made it 1728m from gantry to bridge, so the reported speeds and times between these two points on the circuits matched the real world distance precisely. This means that the speeds on the videos seem entirely realistic.
    We then analysed the engine sound (using an FFT analysis) from the Huracan at top speed on the same straight, which showed a maximum of just under 7750 rpm on the rev counter. This analysis showed a strong peak at 640Hz which equates to 7680rpm for a V10. Therefore our opinion, based on both pieces of evidence, is that the video has not been speeded up. Next time, it would be a lot easier if they used a VBOX Video
     
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    Bottom line: the Perfomante is Fast (enough for me)!!
    Still can't wait for mine!
    I'm trying to plan a visit to Sant'Agata to see my car in production.


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    Interesting that Lambo claims it's barely faster in a straight line than the standard car. I'm sure they're sandbagging (as they still can't let ppl know this car is quicker than an Aventador SV) but it still looks to be about 1.5 seconds slower than a 918 from 0-200 kph. Shows that cornering stability is more important than all out acceleration.
     
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    first picture is just about my dream combo with the new panamera
     
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    #146 kingjr9000, Mar 6, 2017
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    They're definitely sandbagging since C&D got to 120 in 8.5.
    Marco Mapelli on his record-breaking Lamborghini Huracan Performante lap | Autocar
    Quote: Despite his monumental effort, Mapelli says the Performante is an easy car to drive on the limit. He humbly states that anyone could go fast in it at the ‘Ring. I'm not so sure I could.

    A lucky few customers may be able to find out for themselves, because Mapelli confirms that the car on sale will run with exactly the same mechanical and chassis setups as the one he took to the ‘Ring

    Well you're a bit late on the draw since its been "debunked" by race logic. But, since you use V-boxes, could you tell me what these numbers are saying?
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  47. Jo Sta7

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    918 speed falls I'm assuming due to the batts dying out on the straight toward the end of the run. Production cars with multiple updates have better battery management. It would be interesting to see the currentl production 918's time. I don't think we ever will though as Porsche has moved on.
     
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    The Marco Mapelli article sheds a lot of light.
    He really hits some track pearls: power to weight is one of the keys. The Perf is lighter than the 918 and Av SV by about 500 lbs. We use to say that 10 lb weight loss = 1 hp on track (of course depends on if it is rotational mass or unsprung weight, center of axis, etc). 500 lb weight savings is huge and effects all areas of the track - acceleration, braking and handling, whereas HP really effects mainly acceleration. How often are you full throttle on track?
    I'd rather have a lighter car any day vs HP. That's why the lightweight 200 HP Elise's would beat the 600 HP Corvettes on technical tracks. Lighter with less HP, allows more opportunity to be full throttle through corners, and more momentum.
    Bravo Marco!



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  49. NürScud

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    I saw the graphics on the Racelogic's FB page:

    ''Real or Fake? There is some controversy brewing over the recent video posted by Lamborghini showing a 2017 Huracan Performante clocking a 6m52s lap of the ring. This piqued our interest, so here is our (somewhat geeky) analysis:

    The distance between the gantry and bridge is 1727m which was calculated in Circuit Tools using some customer VBOX data. This was then confirmed using the measuring tool in Google Earth. We then integrated the speed from the on-screen telemetry data on the Lambo every second using the built-in video time-stamps to obtain distance travelled. This data was obtained by stepping through the video in a video editor and entering the displayed speed every second into Excel. When integrated, the telemetry data made it 1728m from gantry to bridge, so the reported speeds and times between these two points on the circuits matched the real world distance precisely. This means that the speeds on the videos seem entirely realistic.

    We then analysed the engine sound (using an FFT analysis) from the Huracan at top speed on the same straight, which showed a maximum of just under 7750 rpm on the rev counter. This analysis showed a strong peak at 640Hz which equates to 7680rpm for a V10. Therefore our opinion, based on both pieces of evidence, is that the video has not been speeded up. Next time, it would be a lot easier if they used a VBOX Video.''
     
  50. Jo Sta7

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    I posted a response to this on the Lambo power forum. I don't fully agree it's just weight. Happy to discuss it over there no point in reposting here.
     

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