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  1. Texas Forever

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    Guess you don't watch the "local" news. Crime is out of control in the French Quarter.
     
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    No, I don't. I remember hearing about a guest getting robbed in one of the hotels. That was really out of bounds. But I still thought most of the bad boys where on the East side.

    Too bad.
     
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    The East is nothing. Crime is all over New Orleans. I work in the FQ and keep my head on a swivel. The criminals come out after midnight and prey on the drunk tourists going to their cars and hotel. Sometimes they run into someone who dissed them and they gotta take of that slight so these things occur. Trouble usually occurs in the first two blocks of Bourbon St. or in front of Chris Owen's Club on Bourbon and St. Louis not sure why there. Stay on well lit streets with a crowd, don't get drunk and keep your head on a swivel, have a plan to kill everyone you encounter and you should be fine. Oh and nothing good happens after midnight.
     
  5. Texas Forever

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    Too bad. I grew up in Pensacola and have been coming over to New Orleans for a long time. (BTW, if you're not Cajun descent, please don't say Nawlins. You won't be able to get it right. It's New Orleans.) In fact, I once watched Joe Namath destroy the Saints in the old Sugar Bowl.

    But your city is going to have to do something. Broken windows, stop and frisk, long rides in cop cars, I don't know what. I hardly ever go into the Quarter and then only during the daytime or around suppertime. But this crime has got to stop.
     
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    Nobody here says Nawlins. It is actually more New Arlins and there aren't cajuns here. If you want to see cajuns head to Thibodeaux and Lafayete. The first step would be for NOPD to hire some cops and start actually doing some enforcement work: stopping the cars and bicyclists that drive and ride like there are zero traffic laws, stop the people double parked blocking the streets or parked on sidewalks, stop the jaywalkers, do something about the people pissing on the streets and worse. I bet they would be amazed by the outstanding warrants the scum they stop have.
     
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    Well this usually comes down to the elected officials and what constituency put them in power and which they intend to keep happy. No different in any train wreck city in the USA. Keep it up and the only tourists you'll have are the one's you do not want. I am a direct descendent of Governor Claiborne and I like to say he started the state off on a long history of political corruption. That snow ball got big enough, time to stop it if you can.

    Got to take one of those tour busses if you want to see Cajuns in their natural habitat.
     
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    Ain't no stopping this snowball. Welcome to Mitch Landrieu's New Orleans.
     
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    You are frequenting NOLA and not getting oysters with me?

    Not cool! :)
     
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    NOLA...a big ghetto with great food. The only decent part of NOLA is the track except it is flat and featureless...
     
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    Seriously?
     
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    I would dispute the Ghetto part and the great food part. NOLA cuisine is not what it used to be. You have to work to find good food and too many out of town "chefs" with their fusion BS.
     
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    Nah, ain't been there since!

    Really too bad. I know there were abuses in the past with the police, but something has to be done.

    My favorite song about New Orleans is actually about Biloxi! Jimmy Buffett sang it, but Jesse Winchester wrote it. Growing up in P-Cola I spent all summer in the water. I can still see the thunderclouds coming from New Orleans.


    Down around Biloxi
    Pretty girls are swimmin' in the sea
    Oh they all look like sisters in the ocean
    The boy will fill his pail with salted water
    And the storms will blow from off towards New Orleans

    The Sun shines on Biloxi
    The air is filled with vapors from the sea
    And the boy will dig a pool beside the ocean
    He sees creatures from a dream underwater
    And the sun will set from off towards New Orleans

    The stars can see Biloxi
    The stars can find their faces in the sea
    And we are walking in the evening by the ocean
    We are splashing naked in the water
    And the sky is red from off towards New Orleans
     
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    I recently saw an interview with a middle age man from New Orleans where he stated that the old school method of settling an argument was done in the parking lot with fists. Now its' done with guns.
    I grew up in NYC and know about violent crime. I love New Orleans but nothing good happens after midnight. I stay away.
     
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    That is not unique to New Orleans. Nothing good happens after midnight in any city.
     
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    Not at all but if anyone thinks it applies to any city they need to get out more. Born and raised in Oakland. Except for the airport have not been there in a long time, especially after midnight. But Austin is not like that at all nor are most cities that have not surrendered the streets the way liberals do.
     
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    The safest downtown area I know is Ft. Worth. The Bass family and others spent their own money to make it so.
     
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    There are a lot of places with a crime problem but most of them are smart enough to keep a lid on the part of town that the money comes from whether that is the business district or the tourist district. I have not spent a lot of time in Louisiana but it has always reminded me of a frat house that achieved statehood. That is an attraction of its own kind but if they don't put a lid on it in the FQ they kiss their tourist money good bye. It will still attract people but not the ones with money to spend.
     
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    Yeah...seriously. I have to go back there and race in March. Clue me in on a non-ghetto place to stay near the track. I'm just a tourist and that's what the city looks like to me. Sorry.
     
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    The track is not in New Orleans. It is in the Ghetto of Jefferson Parish.
     
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    Unfortunately you are dead right about that area. NOLA Motorsports Park and the TPC Louisiana Golf Course are both in Avondale, and there is NOTHING near there besides the remains of a once-profitable ship yard. Avondale is run down and rough outside of the track and the golf course. The closest good hotels are downtown New Orleans, 30 minutes away on a good day.

    New Orleans has a mayor who is more concerned about tearing down Confederate monuments than he is about protecting citizens, that doesn't bode well for growth and prosperity of the city.
     
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    I remember when I used to see the Allman Brothers at the Warehouse. I was too young and too stoned to realize the potential danger. :)
     
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    Ok getting out of the airport, the area around the nola track, and around bourbon street seem like a big ghetto. I'm willing to drive from the track to stay at a decent place where my spidey senses aren't on high alert.

    I got lucky on great food but I am always open to what locals think is a great pooboy sandwich, jambalaya, and gumbo. Lets here it!!
     
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    It's that damn Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis doing all the shooting!!!
     
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    Johnny's Po Boys in the Quarter, Pontchartrain Po Boys here in Mandeville is great also and you won't be in the "ghetto". Parran's on Vets is pretty good too.
     
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    Thanks !!!!
     
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    #28 JSinNOLA, Dec 2, 2016
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    You're right, things would be different if the monument issue weren't taking place... :rolleyes:

    The growth and prosperity of the city hasn't looked this good in probably 75+ years. It is finally diversifying itself out of an oil/gas and service industry dependent economy. I talk daily with entrepreneurs both from here and who are transplants with pedigrees from Ivy League schools who would cogently disagree with your thoughts on the direction of the city.

    The monuments issue is nothing more than a red herring and when one propagates that kind of narrative they themselves risk damaging the city.
     
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    You're correct, but the city must do something about the crime problem other than ignore it. New Orleans is the closest we have to a European city/state. The wealthy and the mob bosses live extremely well. Everybody else not so good.

    My wife and I are good friends with a couple who go back generations. (If you see her from the side, you start making the sign of the cross because man is she Sicilian. She just keeps her weight under control.) You know, the Garden District and all that. They were stunned at the underclass that came out of the woodwork after Katrina. They had no idea that many people lived in abject poverty. They knew there was a crime problem, but the Quarter and Jackson Square were off limits. Out of site, out of mind.

    Las Vegas is probably a good comparison. Even though a significant part of the population is transit and works in the service industry, the powers that be figured out street crime on the Strip is not good for business. Like any Southwestern town, Las Vegas has a lot of gangbangers, but even they stay in their own hood for the most part. Moreover, back in the '90s, inexpensive housing, tech jobs, and low taxes started attracting regular people from LA. Today, Las Vegas is nothing like what it used to be. It has turned into an international Disney World for adults.

    How can New Orleans cross this bridge? I dunno. My guess is you need a couple of billionaires to adopt the city and do what it takes to turn things around. This is what has happened, on a much smaller scale, in Pensacola. One guy has literally turned the city around. Whatever the answer, you can be sure it will NOT come from your politicians.

    Good luck.
     
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    Too bad things have gone so far down hill. When I lived there in the mid-to-late 70s, one could go most anywhere at any hour without fear of crime. Truly party city back then.
     
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    I am with John, the business and development environment in NOLA is the best in generations. Education is improving. Corruption is down as well. Crime is a problem but the overall violent crime rate is statistically similar to other southern metro areas. I think the food is the best it's every been. There are still tons of old school places operating but lot's of new choices and types. I live in the heart of the city and raise my kids here and can tell you that real estate values tell the story of the progress the city has made despite some big hurdles.

    Not arguing the FQ has (or has always been ?) become a bit of a dump with being mugged and shot just a part of the problem :)
     
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    If you looking for models, compare Las Vegas to Atlantic City. One, Las Vegas, has crime under control (or at least out of the limelight). The other, Atlantic City, you take your life in your hands if you go outside. If New Orleans is going to grow, the crime has got to stop.
     
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    Right, and that's how the discussion started. Sure New Orleans is on the right path as far as bringing in new and diverse business, but tourism is still the big money maker that helps other growth at this point. The perception of the city that a lot of non-locals have is that it's unsafe, and that's bad for business. My comment about the monuments was tongue in cheek, sort of, but to that point city leadership needs to focus on getting crime under control to fix the perception. Until that happens, we can discuss the merits of the economic climate all we want, but nobody else will care. I love the city and SE LA, that's why I live here. I am in the tech sector and I have more potential to grow my business if there are other businesses for me to support, so I'm all for things getting better. But the crime and the perception it creates are a real issue.
     
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    What about Bear's in Covington?
     
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    I've never been.
     
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    Is Fat City still in existence? It was quite a place in the 1970s.
     
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    Not like it used to be.
     
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    Juan's Flying Burrito on Magazine St.

    It's all good, but whatever you decide on, you'll want to thoroughly cover it in their chili lime vinaigrette.

    Home - Juans Flying Burrito
     
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    Domilise's in Uptown, on Annunciation . I'll likely be dead by divulging where the real New Orleanians eat but there it is. Quarter started going downhill when they stopped letting Morning Call use the big sugar bowls. ;-)
     
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    Thanks. What about po-boys in Shreveport?
     
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    There is a place in Bossier City (Across the bridge from Shreveport) called Kim's Seafood. He came up from N.O. about Katrina time. He makes real New Orleans Poboys. Only place in town that has them that taste right.
     
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    Thx.
     
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    I love NOLA and since Katrina, I find it to be better than ever in terms of arts. But I agree that crime is definitely a problem. If it weren't for the fact that the houses rarely come with garages and definitely not as many as I need and the crime, I would buy a house there. I settle for visiting.

    As for places to stay, you can't go wrong with the Ritz. Absolute incredible service and all of their food is fantastic, so room service is on the menu. I always do club level, which is a great place to grab a snack and work when it's raining and you can't walk around. Close enough proximity to walk to plenty and Uber if you don't feel like it.

    We always walk Bourbon street when we're there and make sure we take major streets with other tourists when walking back to our hotel. That's the key really. That and just being smart. We usually make a trip a year for me to do research as my thriller series is set there. We have a horse carriage guy that is a walking history and news channel for the entire city. We hire him for four hour clips and he takes us wherever we want to go. We've been through all the wards and seen everything, the good and the bad.
     
  46. Texas Forever

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    About a couple of years ago, there was a robbery in one of the luxury hotels. From what I recall, the bad guys held up some people in a hallway. It really freaked everybody out because hotels were supposed to be really off limits. Maybe somebody here recalls more than I do.
     
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    Fertitta's. They're of Sicilian descent. Muffaletta is very good.
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    I saw this posted by a mutual Facebook "friend" of Todd and Katie before the news picked it up, I'm glad it's getting some more exposure. Really scary stuff and the fact that the NOPD seems unwilling or unable to do anything about the crime problem all over the city is disheartening to say the least.

    I was leery about taking my family down to the city if we'd be there after dark, but now you can't drive past New Orleans in the middle of the day without being nervous. All while the mayor politics for higher office and panders to influential people within his party.
     
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    The NO mayor is too busy taking down monuments to pay attention to small things like soaring crime, two-foot-deep pot holes and a high percentage of street lights burned out. I love NOLA, but it is completely out-of-control from a crime perspective.
     
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    This is why I have never been to New Orleans. I have traveled all over the country, and probably to more dangerous areas but the stigma NOLA has is not good. With all the places I can (semi) safely go and spend my money why would I go to NOLA? You all can tell me I am wrong but I am sure I am not the only one that thinks this way.
     

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