As usual, your counter arguments are based on anecdotes, misinformation and not fact Ian's post is correct "The fact is that 100% of convicted terrorists in Australia are muslim." The Sydney Hilton bombing was a terrorist act, but those charged/convicted were later acquitted and at the end of the day who was responsible is still unclear http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/the-sydney-hilton-bombing-of-1978/story-fnat7jnn-1226539686853
Suggest you take a look at this:Terrorism Court Cases ? Parliament of Australia 9 convicted terrorists total since 2003 - hardly a war on Australia is it? And how come Ian's anecdotes of being held up in Saudi are acceptable but mine of working for an extended period in a Muslim city are not? Where are the crowds of Muslims crying out for sharia or to remove pork from Australian supermarkets? There are none - the war on terror is a beat up and gives air to the mad minority who should just be treated like any other criminals. Like I said a few posts back, what we REALLY need is a strong reminder that Australia is secular and church and state should have no intersection.
Wow, so much insight. Yeah you're right, it took 19 Muslim terrorist to kill 2996 people in 9/11 so we're overreacting
Exactly - 19 criminals out of a Muslim population of how many 100s of millions??? Do you not think that if the authorities focused on crooks instead of wasting time on following 'leads' reported by people caught up in the anti-Muslim hysteria they might have more success? And why should the innocent majority of Australian Muslims be treated as enemies by ignorant others?
How do you know the innocent majority are being treated as enemies? How do you know the authorities are wasting their time on hysterical "leads"? How many people were behind those 19 terrorists? How about you start posting facts instead of falsehoods based on your opinion
It's just yesterday,in Queensland by QCCC,reported that so much effort has been spent on "The biker crackdown"that other major crime,notably..child abuse,has been put on the backburner...the bikies accounted for .52% of all Queensland crime. The other types of neglected crime were not mentioned in the report I looked at.
1. See the news everyday for hate crimes against Muslims, especially veiled women. 2. Talk to any policeman, as I have done. 3. What does it matter? The fact is the criminals are a MINORITY within their minority; same as Christian criminals are a minority within their religion. 4. I DO state facts - none of which you have been able to factually repudiate.
Think I might use one of your quotes BULL **** All hearsay and anecdotes. You have not stated any facts, look up the definition Anyway, looks like the religion of peace are claiming this one http://mobile.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/russian-plane-crashes-in-egypt/story-fnizu68q-1227589431084 Yep, still overreacting
They can claim what they want. So far all we have is hearsay and anecdotes from the popular press. It's more likely to be an aircraft failure. Specifically a stabiliser failure.
Another irrelevant sidestep. See above for facts re attacks on Muslim women , no published stats on numbers of false reports. You're free to believe whatever you like, I'll just go on enjoying my country free of fear AND I'll continue to stick up for those who can't defend themselves here or elsewhere. I have this strange, old fashioned idea that Australia is an egalitarian nation where everyone is given a fair go until they're proved guilty.
There is a subculture that is unique to south west Sydney, where the vast majority of Australian nationals joining IS come from. You can do your usual trick of taking the lefty moral high ground but as usual you are clueless to what is going on. Are these meetings, like this one that happened last night in the national interest? http://m.smh.com.au/national/muslim-children-should-not-be-forced-to-sing-national-anthem-says-hizb-uttahrir-20151101-gknwy9.html
Errr. That's a big call, unless you know an awful lot more than what I've heard so far. Care to elaborate?
ASN Accident Digest Airbus A321-231 Metrojet ________________________________________ Status: Preliminary Date: 31 OCT 2015 Time: ca 06:13 Type: Airbus A321-231 Operating for: Metrojet Registration: EI-ETJ C/n / msn: 663 First flight: 1997 Engines: 2 IAE V2533-A5 Crew: Fatalities: 7 / Occupants: 7 Passengers: Fatalities: 217 / Occupants: 217 Total: Fatalities: 224 / Occupants: 224 Airplane damage: Written off Location: ca 50 km SE of Hasna, North Sinai (Egypt) Phase: En route Nature: Int'l Non Scheduled Passenger Departure airport: Sharm el Sheikh International Airport (SSH) Destination airport: Saint Petersburg-Pulkovo Airport (LED) Flightnumber: 7K9268 Narrative: An Airbus A321, operated by Metrojet, was destroyed in an accident central Sinai, Egypt. AP quoted Egyptian officials saying there were no survivors. Metrojet flight 9268 took off from Sharm el Sheikh at 05:49 hours local time (03:49 UTC). It followed airway R650 to the north along the shoreline of the Gulf of Aqaba. Overhead the Nuweibaa (NWB) NDB at FL210 the aircraft turned left, heading 340? to cross the Sinai Peninsula. Last contact with the flight was about 06:13 hours. Flight tracking website Flightradar24 shows the aircraft climbing to 30875 feet, after which it shows erratic altitudes and speed indications. Last altitude recorded was 27925 feet at a speed of 62 knots.
"The insistence of senior government ministers that Muslim children sing the national anthem an anthem that reflects a particular disputed view of history and celebrates particular ideological values ... Why should they be forced to sing it?" he asked the crowd, gathered at The Bellevue function centre in Bankstown. I may be slow, blind or stupid, but I do not see "a particular disputed view of history" or, where it "celebrates particular ideological values" Australians all let us rejoice, For we are young and free; Weve golden soil and wealth for toil; Our home is girt by sea; Our land abounds in natures gifts Of beauty rich and rare; In historys page, let every stage Advance Australia Fair. In joyful strains then let us sing, Advance Australia Fair. Beneath our radiant Southern Cross Well toil with hearts and hands; To make this Commonwealth of ours Renowned of all the lands; For those whove come across the seas Weve boundless plains to share; With courage let us all combine To Advance Australia Fair. In joyful strains then let us sing, Advance Australia Fair.
the highlighted indicates an operational failure with the aircraft stalling at 27925 feet ?? Steve ??
Similar to a malfunctioning pito tube, except it was broad daylight. Why did it veer off course for 100 km or so first?
I think they have more than two, but you're right they have nothing to do with navigation. A malfunctioning static system can cause major indication errors and has caused accidents in the past (there is the famous one where the cleaner left some tape over the static inlet). However, even that wouldn't cause a problem in visual conditions for any semi competent crew, and these days there are enough independent back up systems to provide correct information if the primary system is faulty. No, this is strange and I hate to speculate. Therefore I will, and say maybe something "odd" was going on in the cockpit? Really, at this stage unless you have information that no-one else seems to have it's all a guess.
My first question would be what were the conditions at the time? Instrument or visual? If visual, suggests either something odd going on in the cockpit or some kind of catastrophic aircraft issue (yes a stabiliser is possible but there is nothing I have seen to suggest that and it is incredibly unlikely). If instrument, then a pitot / static system problem is indeed likely. But again, these days it should be possible to use other independent systems to get "correct" readings (such as GPS) if the normal sources have become unreliable.
It use to take hours to check the pitot static system with long leak testing being the most important. As for being 100 kms off course after only being in the air for less than an hour would have to be deliberate or incompetence, today's systems are very accurate compared to the old systems I played with (inertial navigation - pre-astral correction or GPS)
True, but has caused a crash in the past, but unlikely in daylight. I was asking the question about navigation, I know it wasn't related
