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Discussion in 'Asia' started by Gary Lee, May 6, 2013.
Private viewing this Thursday May 9 and Friday May 10, Open day viewing on May 11 & 12!
G'day,Is it staying in HK,or moving on?
I'm there on June 8 for a week.
Kerrari maybe interested as well.
What do you mean by open viewing?
It means open for public.
only from May 9-12...
This one :
So thats the one that was in Shanghai?
at IM Repulse Bay
Why do they need to do this ?
Can't they sell this overpriced POS ?
Kds - I agree, I can't think of a better reason. There were also apparently some private showings recently in California. They wouldn't be doing these sorts of things if the car was truly sold out.
So you would think they simply want to deliver them all to buyers and have them all put them away in their climate-controlled garages never to be seen again?
They want to show them off because they are an advertisement of what they can achieve and what developments can be expected on future cars.
First post here, will post introduction later, wasn't able to pass this discussion.
There were no presentations of LF in the US, official or not, both two demo cars produced never made it to the US.
HK presentation is the very first LF related event at the F-dealer, it is part of Ferrari marketing campaign in China, if I'm not mistaken next stop will be Guangzhou and it is nothing more than the usual way to create a buzz in Chinese media and attract more customers for the 'mainstream' cars
50 LF units coming to Greater China (Mainland, HK, Taiwan) in total in three years time, major part of allocation well before the Shanghai presentation, remaining slots during the event.
There're no problems with the process of finding buyers for the car, production run is sold out and first deliveries are expected starting from October.
Have you always had an interest in conspiracy theories?
First ever post here, will post my introduction later, wasn't able to pass this discussion.
The first ever LF dealer event is taking place in HK and it is part of Ferrari marketing campaign in China to attract more attention from the press in attempt to move more 'mainstream' cars.
There were no LF related events on US soil, both two demo cars never made it to the US as of now.
Speaking about sales - the are 50 LF units coming to the Greater China and they all are sold out.
There were some talks about some German and US F-collectors decided to reject an offer to buy a car, but that didn't stop Ferrari from filling all 499 slots in almost a heartbeat.
I think you might need to review the definition of the word conspiracy.
Have you always taken everything Ferrari says at face value? Wait, no need to answer that...
Do you really believe they are scaling back production to preserve exclusivity or can you possibly entertain the idea that there are fewer customers for their cars now due to increased competition and changing economic climate?
There's really no shame here - McLaren and Porsche are doing the same world tours with their hypercars in order to fill up the order books. Frankly it is not as unbelievable as you might think that all the La Ferrari's (lol) are not yet sold. Let's not forget that Ferrari have the most expensive and least attractive offering of the trio and it comes with a very silly name.
Please, McLaren and Porsche are not in the same league as Ferrari when it comes to selling halo cars. The fact that you actually believe that some customers would choose a McLaren or Porsche because they prefer the name is laughable. Get over the name fan boy, it's the only real fault you can find with the car. As for looks, they are subjective, but the Ferrari has universally been praised as a very good looking car since it's unveiling at Geneva. It is evident that the vast majority of people here like the looks. I love how it looks. The fact that the worlds biggest McLaren fan boy doesn't is no surprise to anyone - you're biased.
I still can't believe you actually think people would say no to the Ferrari and say they want a P1 or 918 instead. The truth is that a lot of P1 customers are only buying the car because they could not get an invite to buy the Ferrari - just ask Frefan if you don't believe me (lol).
least attractive offering? Really? And who exactly are you to Judge? Driven one? Driven any car of the trio?
So you are not on the list then. I don't think Luca is losing any sleep over that. The LF is sold out and you have no fact whatsoever to argue otherwise.
PS. there are many people who don't really care about the name of the car is right.
What does driving a car have to do with judging its visual appeal?
There is more demand for the LF than available supply. That is undisputed.
Of course Ferrari does a roadshow for the car to drum up excitement for the brand and it's revolutionary products.
FYI - It can't be undisputed if people are disputing it.
Peloton - by your logic, you believe that if Ferrari have in fact sold all 499 LF's then they wouldn't bring the car to any of major shows such as Paris, Frankfurt, etc nor to any of their dealers around the world simply because there's no point in anyone (clients, press, public) seeing it now as there are no more for sale?
This theory of yours is just plain stupid.
What are you basing your dispute on? A feeling you got after reading McLaren message boards?
I didn't say anything about a majopr motor show. I'm referring to these private viewings at dealers in Hong Kong and Los Angeles. I will say one thing - this may become the first Ferrari hypercar where they actually build the number they originally said they would.
In HK customers will get a private viewing before the car is displayed to the public for everyone to see.
And they will definitely build more than 499. If they are struggling to sell them then why are they turning away established clients like Frefan who was ready to write a cheque? He has to settle for the McLaren now because Ferrari told him there was no way he could get one, despite owning several Ferrari's including F40, F50, etc.
Your argument doesn't make any sense, it's based on nothing more than a feeling you have.
Yes - the same thing happened in the UK where owners were told that despite being good customers, Ferrari wouldn't have a La Ferrari (lol) for them. Then later they have been offered slots in the production and in at least two cases have chosen to pass. One of these owners of an F40 and F50 went to Geneva and they wouldn't even allow him to sit in the car.
Typical Ferrari arrogance is spoiling the brand.
It's called marketing the brand. Criticize Ferrari all you want, but this is something McLaren has failed spectacularly at. Maybe it would help them sell the remaining 125 or so P1's, and the remaining 2012 12c's....
I find it funny how every defense of Ferrari when I am involved in the discussion involves/includes an attack on the McLaren brand. I have never suggested, nor would I claim, that McLaren have executed a perfect strategy in the road car business. This is a new endeavor for them striking out on their own and there are sure to be stumbles. I don't hold the blind faith for them that some of you think I do or that many seem to exhibit for Ferrari regardless of what they do.
Ferrari did no dealer tour with the Enzo and sold far more than they intended. Why spend the money on such activities if they've filled all the spots they need to with La Ferrari (lol)?
Once again the McLaren trolls invade Fchat.
What was a really nice update about a super car being on display has turned ugly from a few people with their own agenda.
McLaren put the P1 on display in China also. What's the matter? Can't they sell them?
The McLaren P1 supercar has been launched on the Chinese car market, priced at a manic 12 million yuan or 1.9 million USD. The P1 debuted yesterday, on a private viewing in the great beach-city of Sanya in Hainan. The McLaren supercar will now go on tour to the cities Shanghai, Guangzhou, Beijing and Chengdu for similar events.
That's the thing - McLaren can't. Because McLaren are bringing the P1 around the world, desperately trying to sell the remaining 125+ cars, Peloton thinks the only reason Ferrari would bring LaFerrari to HK is because they're "struggling" to sell 499 of them.
Did either of you have a point that I didn't already make?
And why can't we attack McLaren? You seem to enjoy taking shots at Ferrari. Likewise many of us enjoy defending Ferrari. Much like you enjoy defending Lotus. Sorry, I mean McLaren.
Erik is just bummed about the P1 so he assumes the same is true for the F70.
Feel free to take issue with whatever you want - I was just pointing out the consistent response pattern when I raise an issue or make a controversial comment about something Ferrari-related - it's always the same tack. No one seems to be able to respond directly without dragging McLaren into it.
It's not offensive to me - I am not McLaren. I don't make their decisions nor do I have any control over their actions any more than you do.
wasn't expecting it to be as simple as just walking in and taking photos LOL
My pics: LaFerrari - a set on Flickr
Most beautifuls pics i have seen so far about the laferrari. Good photographer and natural light are so much better Than geneva pics !
great pix icyJ! much enjoy your work.
the events in hk were great fun. halo effect is immense. foc had a great event and membership is expanding. first f12 demo on the road. local dealer about to celebrate 30 year anniversary. lots of feel good factor.
I really don't get the negativity over what was an overwhelmingly positive pitstop for the car after the shanghai auto show
How many will go to HK?
You getting one?
Looks like we agree to disagree.
But lets agree to re-visit how the market treats each of these cars in say a year.
That would probably give some real information as opposed to all the bickering whether it be informed or uninformed, biased or unbiased, objective or subjective.
Talking to the showroom guys at the launch on friday it seems that there were aout 70 folks in HK who could "qualify" (apparently 5 Ferraris or more already, with more "points" for older collectables, towards some unwritten centralised Ferrari allocation procedure), although only about 20 cars would be allocated to "sufficiently qualified" HK buyers, or so they seemed to think.
I tried to get one, but my salesman told me that I am not qualified since I own only one Ferrari so far.
Last month I walked into the McLaren showroom, the guy told me there are two P1s slot, and there is one still available.
Hi Jim. Hope you are well and taking advantage of Spring weather to enjoy your amazing cars. Not clear on how many LaF will be allocated to HK. Guessing 15 to 25 but no hard info. Yes I am getting one
DM, let me be the first to congratulate you
Congrats!! If you're ever my way please let me know!
Great weather this week I went for four drives so far.
20 is a lot for HK. I miss HK. I really enjoyed living there for a while when I was Directing Films.
Have you seen one in person? They're pretty cool and really fast.
I have always been a fan of your posts because of your collections diversity (love your aircooled RS 911 posts in particular) - just curious, what's your take on Pagani? Ever owned one or are you interested in getting one?
Thanks in advance.
Is Ferrari making the LF RHD too?
thx for your kind words. pagani is an amazing car. quite a loyal following in hk. so far at least have not been too tempted. as you note my big interest as of late has been with air-cooled 911's. although i am quite excited that my water cooled 924 carrera gt is almost finished
no rhd. so the LaF cannot be registered or really used at all on the road in hk