May Repaint my '95 F355

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  1. Robb

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    So, we'll see how the year goes. I would like this to be the year I get my Blue Ferrari finally to gonin the new garage. It just may take a repaint to get it.

    Who knows, I might not do that to myself and opt to sell the yellow and find a blue one but my car is so sorted out that I'm not sure it makes sense to sell it and start over, sorting out another unknown car...

    But if I do decide to go bare metal with a blue exterior, I'd like opinions from the group on my black interior. Does black interior work with all blue color exteriors? I know beige, crema, or Cuoio would be a great fit but let's talk if black might work just fine... beige intetiorsxalwaysxseem to feel a bit dirty or worn to me. Crema is beautiful but I worry about colors rubbing off on crema like from blue jeans, etc.

    It seems like all blue cars with a darker interior have dark blu scuro interior that I have seen. I'm not really big on blue interior leather. The blue spiders have black tops and that looks sharp - (and some have blue tops). Did Ferrari allow black interiors in blue cars or push everyone to blue scuro, gray, tan, or Blu medio? The cars seem to look best with a contrasting lighter vs darker color combo.

    So Azurro California or Grigio Alloy would look best with a darker interior. Tdf blue, pozzi or Blu LeMans would look best with beige or crema.

    But I've also decided that I need a darker color for the AZ sun since it is so bright, lighter colors can get washed out. So while I love Azurro California, I'm not sure I would enjoy it as much in the AZ sun. I'd also prefer a metallic paint. So I think that leaves:

    Blu Swaters
    Blu NART
    Tdf Blu
    Blu Chiaro
    Blu Le Mans
    Pozzi is dark but not metallic

    I'm not as keen on blues with purple hues so tdf and LeMans might not make the cut.

    I could even go historic blues or new blues of Today's Ferrari models like Blu Abu Dhabi or some other.

    Thoughts on color combos with my black interior. For it to look best, if I go with one of the darker colors, would you suggest a leather color swap as well or is black good to go?

    For example, what blues would look good with black interior and whichbones would not. We spec black on black donim not sure why it wouldn't look good with a blue car. But like men's suits, the rule seems to be always Brown shoes and belt...

    Color comments please especially on combinations that are stellar. I know it only matters on what I like but I would love feedback on what others think works really well.

    Let's just focus on the color combos and not debate the color change. :D

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    #2 Robb, May 19, 2017
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    Here is blu LeMans with a medium blue interior.

    Not in the sun but looks nice. All the blue cars are in Europe........

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    you forgot blu sera. Or is that not metallic?

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    #4 Robb, May 19, 2017
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    Great Azurro California exterior with dark blue or black interior.

    But thinking the lighter color will get washed out in AZ. Notice this photo is not in full sun....

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    I think blue sera is not metallic. One of the best colors though.

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    I think this is a pretty good idea. You know your car and at this age, what are the chances you find another in the color you want that still has perfect paint that doesn't need any work?

    IMO black would not look out of place at all. Would I prefer crema? With blue yes, but wouldn't say it's necessary.

    I had a car with a white interior and you do get dye transfer from clothes but a little cleaner and a microfiber and it comes right off.
     
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    #7 Robb, May 19, 2017
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    I've never seen tdf blu with anything other than beige interior. And it is a bit purple in the sun.

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  10. Robb

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    Good thoughts.

    So plenty to talk about here. If you think the lighter blues will be ok in full sun, I'm open to it, but I am having that issue now with the yellow.

    Other option is to wait a few more years and import... :D

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    #10 Robb, May 19, 2017
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    Nart Blue over Crema in full sun. Hint of turquoise in different light.

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    I'm in general not a huge fan of all black interiors - IMO, they lack contrast.

    I also think dark exteriors look better with lighter interiors.

    Regardless - if you plain a bare metal respray and a full interior change, and don't plan to do any of the work yourself, you are looking at a $50K + investment....
     
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    #12 Robb, May 19, 2017
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    Blue Swaters over charcoal interior although not in the sun...

    I like the exterior color as it is fairly neutral without going too purple or green, and it is a slightly darker blue.

    Seems like the darker interior doesn't pop as much. Would it be better with tan?

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    #13 Robb, May 19, 2017
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    Blue chiaro in the shade with crema interior.

    The contrast looks good.

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    Have you received any quotes for a re-paint yet? I've been trying to find someone to paint my '67 vette for months now and the quotes have been $25-30k+ to do it right. I'm guessing more for the Ferrari. Doesn't seem to make sense financially...not that we're in this hobby for that reason.
     
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    I'll agree that black carpets and another color leather is a great combo with black wheel and black top dash.

    Good points. Would like to find the perfect car without going through the effort but may wish to just get it right all the way around. Braden's threads are amazing with the results and amount of hours...

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    I am coming up on a major service this year so it may make sense to do this at the same time. There are some great shops in Scottsdale that do cars for pebble beach. They have quoted me 25k. There may be ways to work out a win win...

    And if the disassemble / assembly is done by me and my mechanic, the costs also go down.

    But think of this exercise in best Color combo's for AZ and do light blues work and does black interior work... :)

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    Robb - the amount of stuff to take apart is insane - you will need that new garage for sure and that's not for cars - it will be for parts :)

    Plan on a new windshield (at a minimum - new trim).

    I still have not decided who will paint my 95....
     
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    I have an Azurro California with a blue interior. The interior is not overly dark and there are crema highlights (door panels and centre console) to make it lighter. I guess the paint does look a little washed out, but perhaps more so in photos. Having said that, everyone seems to comment on how good the car looks in that colour.

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    Sounds nice Ian,

    Let's see some photos!

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    I get that sense from looking at the Bradan threads. When are you planning to paint your '95?

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    I would go with a lighter blue to keep your black interior color. I think the Azzurro Cal would look good with a black interior. And if that is the color you like best, even with the AZ sun, that is the way I would go.

    My favorite blue hue is Azzurro that is on my 308. It is a metallic, darker than the Az.Ca., and came with either blue or tan interior. TdF as you noted has that purple hue that you notice in the garage, but looks nice and deep blue in full sunlight.

    Example shots of both colors....
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    Yellow is my favorite color on a 355 but the Nart Blue and Blue Chiaro look absolutely lovey. I think they are light enough to work with your black interior. Beige, crema, or Cuoio interior would look perfect but black would look good too (in my newbie experience).

    Is it an option to buy a beater to restore and keep your yellow 355?
     
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    Kinda goes like this.

    :)
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    A) When I stop working so much and get my life back so I can take the rest of the car apart

    B) When I find a shop I'm comfortable with.

    We will be adding a new, custom paint booth this year but the type of design we are doing won't allow for a full car spray and I also don't have the room in my shop or an area to contain the prep work dust so as much as I'd love to paint it myself, that's not in the cards now.
     
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    It's one thing to do a repaint, another to properly do a color change. I sure I don't have to tell you that. Be patient and wait for the right car. Took me 4 years, but I found what I wanted in the condition I wanted at the price I wanted.
     
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    We have done 19 color changes so far on F355s, most guys go with a retro color not offered originally during production. The cool thing is Ferrari is offering most of those colors on new cars so you have a chance of seeing them in person now. I would narrow it down to 3-5 colors and have your shop spray samples to pick from. Once you find 1 color you love have a body panel sprayed in that color and carry it around with you for the day to compare in different lighting.

    It's a good idea to do it during a major service as you mentioned. With the engine out of the car you avoid the mess from removing paint getting in the engine bay and can pull out the radiators/scoops to paint inside the door jams.

    Try to paint strip the flat panels to avoid warping them and sand blast all the edges and hard to reach places. Glasurit zinc chromite primer is an awesome base to start with if your going down to bare metal which I recommend. F355s tend to hide rust in the 1/4 panel seams and under the door jams. Also take advantage of the bare metal and weld the 1/4 panel seams to avoid flex cracking in the future.

    If you guys have any body questions feel free to email me at Bradangroup@gmail.com I can try to save your shop some headaches.
     
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    #28 Kevallino, May 19, 2017
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    Blu sera is metallic - my car is blu sera metallica FER 504/C. So badass they even called it "Metallica"... :p

    That said it can have a purple cast to it so if you don't care for that this may not be your color.

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    Blu sera is metallic.
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    FYI: My interior is original (1995), has only seen blue jeans, but jean stain issues here.
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    Since you asked for opinions I'll throw mine out there-- unless you just *have* to have a color not available on 355s I'd suggest buying another car. It's much easier to sort a car mechanically than it is to get one painted correctly, especially when a color change is involved. The car will not be original anymore, and it won't be the same after having been taken apart to that level unless the work is done by true concour$ re$toration $peciali$t$.

    I'm not a fan of color-changed cars because they're almost never truly right. If you do decide on a color change I'd vote for darker blue over lighter blue, especially in bright sun. Also, while I used to really dislike black interiors (thought they were too gloomy) I appreciate them a lot more now that I own one. I'd prefer Cuoio with a darker blue though.
     
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    That was ASK's(Andrew,s) car. I think that is a beautiful blue on that car. Robb, black is a neutral color, so most colors will work with it, which is why I like it. If I was going to change the color and was limiting myself to just colors offered by Ferrari, this would be it. However if it wasn't marque limited, other brands offer some very nice choices. I would be glad to help.

    I agree with Jim on the color, but I don't care for the tobacco interior.
     
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    I agree with a good portion of this with some exceptions:

    If Robb is not concerned about resale or the investment (which won't be sort money), the benefits are great. 355's don't have thick paint. Whatever blue car he finds is likely to have rock chips, micro scratches, etc. Fresh paint will resolve those issues and if done properly, will afford a few good corrections.

    I never set out to paint my project car and I do have great concerns but I've gone so far, it's just a bit foolish to not go the rest of the way in the restoration.
     
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    Robb, you inspired me.
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    Fair enough, but I'd rather buy a car in the color I wanted and repaint it than to do a color change, even if I had to do some mechanical sorting as well. Now, if he wants a color that's extremely rare or unavailable on 355s that's another story.

    I don't mind resprays if they're done well but not a fan of color-changed cars in most cases. The newer the car, the more difficult it is to do a proper color change and the 355 is new enough that a truly righteous color change is extremely labor intensive. It'd be a different story if we were talking about a 246 Dino, for example.
     
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    Robb is talking about a bare metal respray so a color change is a moot point.....
     
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    Perhaps it is to most people but it's not moot to me. Look at the pics of the most recent car Bradan is doing-- they did not fully strip the inner door panels, etc. I suspect there are other areas not shown in the pics that weren't fully stripped as well. That kind of stuff bugs me because sooner or later I'll see it if I keep the car long enough since I do my own work.

    But even if you don't consider that to be a big deal the level of disassembly required is still a factor. I seriously doubt most people will put the car back together again as well as it came from the factory. There are certainly people out there who can do so, but they're few and far between and they charge accordingly.

    If you respray a car that's already the color you want going to bare metal may not be necessary, or even advisable, and it certainly wouldn't require the level of disassembly needed for a decent color change.

    I can see doing it on a tatty car that needs a lot of work anyway but I can't imagine taking a nice car that far apart for no other reason than just to change colors. Heck, the 355 looks good in most colors so speaking for myself it'd be easier to learn to love the color I bought than it would to deal with the issues presented by a color change. I suspect it'd be easier for me to find someone with a nice example in the color I wanted and swap with them than it would be for me to be satisfied with a color changed car.

    That's just me-- Robb asked for opinions so I thought I'd offer mine. The best decisions come from considering a full spectrum of advice. :)
     
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    You got my touch up color LOL
     
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    Great shot. Love the brush.

    Looking forward to seeing you in late June.

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    I appreciate everyone's opinions on color combo's.

    It will be a fun year for sure. We'll see where the rabbit hole goes.

    But in the meantime. Keep the color combo's coming.

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    I would personally not paint a Ferrari or any car I'm restoring without doing the jambs, etc. So, doing a color change is the same amount of work. Unless of course you would be bothered by the different colored over spray when removing the dash or door panels :D
     
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    Bottom line though, there just aren't that many blue berlinetta's or gts in America. I see many blue spiders.

    Narrow that to a '95 and you will be waiting a long time if ever. So that is the premise of the thread. Repaint may be the only way to get it all...

    Sticking on topic, here is a car that used to be in Texas. I think it is lemans blue over crema / b,ack. Very nice.

    Have no idea where it is now.

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    The interior...

    Feel free to line me up with the owner.

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    That's perfection.
     
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    This is the car I've been mulling over importing. I love the spec, but my Maranello is TdF...not sure if I want two blue Ferrari's.

    It's a 96 GTB. Blu Le Mans with Blu Scuro interior (same as my 550) with carbon seats.

    I, too, long for a blue 355. :)
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