McLaren 720s up close in person

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  1. tobewiser

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    I had a chance to look at one up close in person today at my local dealer. I was not able to drive the car as it had been sold. I thought a new thread on the 720s may be better as the other one turns into heavy discussion of depreciation of the brands. Let's try to focus one the merits of the car itself.

    The 720s is definitely a major upgrade from the 650s, much more so than the 488 over the 458. My impressions are as follows:

    1. Exterior Styling: no more side vents but hidden side air channels instead. Very ingenious and modern. Many cues from the P1 and F1. The so-called 'controversial' headlights are actually quite functionally and aesthetically integrated into the design. The LED lights are all high tech and modern. Overall its appearance speaks 'super car' better than the 650s or 12C. The 'wow' fact is 80% there. This particular car is in Azores Elite (a few shades more red than the previous Volcano Orange) multiple layer paint. Quite stunning in person.

    2. CF structure: much better ingress and egress. The side sills also slopes downward towards the front making it much easier to get in and out. They are as least 2-3 inches narrower than the previous models. The CF roof also allows the partial glass roof panels. The interior CF trims are matte finished - a very nice modern, high tech touch with the complimentary matte alcantanara appointments.

    3. Workmanship: the wide bold stitching on the seats are very attractive. The cabin has exceptional fit and finish.

    4. Interior Styling: Much roomier due to the redesign of the dash and center console. The bridge is now tugged closer to the center dash. The narrower CF tub gives way to a much wider shoulder rooms. The standard seats are very supportive and stylish with contrast color inserts. The retractable LCD/OLED dash screens are as cool as functional - a very nice track focus touch. Glass everywhere! Love the visibility improvement over the 650s.

    5. Sound: The sale rep did turn on the car so that I could listen to the optional sports exhaust (see photo: vented exhausted tips). A far better supercar sound than that of the standard exhaust. By design, McLaren wants the 720s to be an overall friendly daily driver, hence the 'luxury' package and a muted exhaust. The sport exhaust is way to go - deep and 'throaty'...almost make you forget that this is a turbo!

    This particular car is highly optioned with CF, sport exhaust, telemetry, alcantara trims, etc. MSRP: $339K. The car starts from $288, with almost every available options, to $360K.

    Those who have not seen one in person ought to do so before making any judgment. I personally think the 720s is a serious contender to the 488. I'll try to update this post once I have a chance to test drive one in the near future but I double very much that I will not be impressed. I will definitely pass on my 488 order and give McLaren a try.
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  2. iloveferrari

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    I personally love it!!
     
  3. buddyg

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    Nice write up thanks!
     
  4. boobernackle

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    Car's exterior looks like an orange beetle that has been squashed...

    I'm sure the specs are over the top, but as far as looks go, that is a major factor for many of us in this price category.

    Good luck with your order and enjoy it to the fullest!
     
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    Yssup a si retsameca
    Nice whip!
     
  6. PeanutSlab

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    I saw a 720S here in Chichester (UK) just after launch, we're a couple of miles from Goodwood so see all the new McLaren's being tested. It's incredibly low in the flesh, it's exotic in the way an F is more conservative. I have to say though that the big mac isn't up to the quality of the F just yet, especially in the interior. It's still an amazing car, but there's a few years of development before it can match a Ferrari. Incredible how far they've come in such a short space of time.
     
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  8. frefan

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    I drove one 2,000 miles and on track -- its insanely great!
     
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    Thanks for the pictures and your impressions.
     
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    This is the wrong forum and should be moved to McLaren section.
     
  11. frefan

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    I'm surprised it lasted this long lol
     
  12. Jackp6

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    I am sure it looks better in person but for me I still prefer a red Ferrari anytime. But again this is a Ferrari forum. Might have better luck on mac forum.
     
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    Ferrari anytime
     
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  15. TheMayor

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    Just not pretty enough.
     
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    too much going on. i cannot seem to get a complete vision of the design. all the vents and wings and shaded and recessed areas. i am sure it somehow works in the wind tunnel, but it does nothing for me.

    frankly none of the maclaren products move the needle for me.

    nb. i dont like the 488 either.
     
  17. Jackp6

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    Just realized "tobewiser" ....buying a mac over a Ferrari no very wise. LOL
     
  18. TheMayor

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    One trend I hope Ferrari never picks up


    This idea that you need to hide the engine. I'm not talking about the lack of glass. I'm talking about literally sealing the engine away so you can't look at it unless you're a technician.

    The engine is still the heart of a Ferrari. You need to be able to see it and show it off if you want to.
     
  19. frefan

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    That happened a long time ago. Starting with the 599 when the moved the engine to mid-front design. Same with 488 & 458 spyder, you're looking at a lot of fancy plastic. The last great engine to look at was the 360CS IMO. Everyone is moving the engine lower and more central. The 720S engine is practically dragging on the ground. You can't see it not because they don't want you to, but rather is not in a suitable viewing position.

    I do miss that feature as well. Which is one of many reasons old cars are just so cool. Unfortunately it's not compatible with today's ultra sports cars.
     
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    Agreed, especially the font and back angles. The side profile is much better and a huge improvement over the 650S.
     
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    BTW: Behold! ENGINE! Something you will never see in the 570s or the 720s
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    saw in in the flesh in Geneva and locally - the design gives me a headache - just too busy as u say
    dont own a 488 either
     
  23. gtjoey

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    The current car scene was won by the 458, when the 488 came out it was improved but to me a little stale, not pushing the bar.
    The 720s comes out of left field, wild design, small car company and crazy stats to back it up.
    For me its fresh, new and wayyyyy out there without being a boy racer.
    Post the 360 view video in grey with sandstone interior, for anyone over 50 it screams class.
    The price point compared to all the others up to a million is what make all of us wonder.
    Jay just posted his new FORD GT video, did anyone look at the interior, Its really a shame.
    The McLaren in leather to me is sooooo rich looking.
    In five years it will be something else but for now, this car is the king.
    We shall see
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    Yes, underutilized and underpowered but dam so pretty to look at...like lipstick on a pig. Some sarcasm. FYI, the engine on 720 literally almost hits the ground for better balance. So it's hidden not because they don't want you to see it but because it's not visible given low ground clearance. That's by design and one of many many tech design advancements.
     
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    660 hp is underpowered...welcome to supercars in 2017.
     
  26. gtjoey

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    Spot on!
    This car just changed all the rules!
    Gtjoey720s
     
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    720S seems a fantastic car. I would prefer one over a Ferrari any day. This is a car that has reached the apogee of car design for me. When I was a kid, the mantra was "more power!" and that is no longer the case. This car has enough. The handling is superb too. I guess the advancements from here for me are reliability and cost. The rest is ne plus ultra!!
     
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    So true


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  30. TheMayor

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    Why not just put an electric motor in it then if it means so little to you? That battery pack gets the CG soooooooo low!

    Super cars are about EMOTION. It's about something that makes you excited to be around and admire but inside and out.

    Mac aficionados sometimes sound like geeks I knew in high school when they talked about computers -- justifying what's great about something that means nothing to no one but themselves.

    "The Commodore 64 has 64 Kilobytes of RAM and 20 Kilobytes of ROM! Awesome!"
     
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    Hey Bob.
    I liked my 650 because it didn't have the "hand of Sweater" that saved me. My Speciale figured out my talent >credit and let me run, but the Mac just waited for me to drive it. Hard. Some of us discussed in other thread, and I don't care how they do it, just let me use it.
    720 has seemingly fixed the few issues I had but worked thru- tail wiggle with airbrake at hi speeds, undertired feeling at turn in, some interior stuff.
    The weight is the key. Hundreds of pounds less than Huracan, Speciale, 488.
    I don't look at motors anymore. I listen. I hate drone, and I'm not 17, so drones and glass packs are stupid on a nice car. No quicker way to piss people off either, and sport exhaust fine.
    Intake noise better than exhaust anyway.
    Door channels trick, airflow quite direct. I'd guess some speed/accel is due to less drag.
    488 ruined the 458. The Speciale is epic. Ferrari is seriously outgunned. Thank god for the KaliSL, and a sport ute.
    I want brutal car, not a lifestyle trinket.


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  32. YorkieV12

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    Looks like a 10 year old Zonda. Super cars are now getting to the design point where they are into jelly-mould design. Nothing graceful at all. Only my opinion......others may disagree. BUT, Thank goodness we are allowed an opinion !
     
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    Emotions are for 17 year old female teens...
     
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    Exactly how I feel! Luxury model with Sandstone interior is my planned 50th birthday present to myself next year. Interior is further enhanced by the matte rather than gloss carbon fiber.

    This is probably the video you referenced.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W5BJCrlaj4[/ame]
     
  35. tobewiser

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    Geeks are entitled to theirs too, don't they? Just the mere fact that supercars can generate emotions, positive or negative, their designs have succeeded. At this level of purchase, one only needs to justify to no one but him/herself. Does mockery of others' preferences that are different from those of our own indeed show anymore 'maturity', emotional or otherwise?

    I learned to program BASIC on a Sinclair 1000 (before the Commodore 64, which I also once owned) 33 years ago. It was awesome! So was its contemporary, a Ferrari Testarossa, a Mapplethorpe portrait, or the Porsche 911. I recalled a comment by John Cage, an American music composer, in a graduate school composition seminar on the advent of computer in music at that time..."subjectivity is the basis of greatness but never the yardstick to measure..." I surmise both Cage, Enzo, B. McLaren, or F. Porsche have had to endure a great deal of criticisms on their work from those who have achieved, or dare to achieve, much less.

    Pluralism is a wonderful thing; otherwise, there would only be red/beige sports cars to drive.
     
  36. gtjoey

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    That's the one.....I don't think there would be a single car enthusiast that would disagree!
    It is just stunning in that combination!
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    Thank you Mr. Spock. Live long and prosper.

    Note to spourreza: No one NEEDS a car like this. You have to WANT it. If there is no emotional attachment you might as well keep your Apple stock and watch the market each day where your only excitement is having the Money Honey tell you it went up half a point today.

    You want a really fast car? Put in an electric motor and forget this "lump" the poor McLaren is saddled with. Problem solved! And, you should be happy because McLaren can still pump in fake engine sounds through the speakers.

    That is, if you don't mind adding 3.2 pounds to the weight.
     
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    My favorite exterior is Glacier White with contrasting carbon fiber. But the 3 carbon fiber packages plus diffuser, rear aero bridge and rear deck come to $36k which is a lot to spend on a cosmetic upgrade, and it won't enhance resale value to any significant degree. Unfortunately I have enough OCD that carbon fiber is basically all or nothing for me.

    The car in that video, which I think is Saros, is my second favorite exterior. It actually has some exterior carbon fiber too, but it doesn't really stand out from the grey paint... I'd definitely opt for the standard dark palladium trim with that paint color.
     
  39. gtjoey

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    That's just what I did, my first drive will be New York to pebble beach next year
    All in about 7,000 miles in two weeks
    By going with the paint it saved over 20 grand or so
     
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    Just gotta say... as an old Amiga geek and electronic music fan, I love the fact that Commodore and John Cage have both been referenced in this thread. Computer brands and music genres, like cars, all have their passionate supporters and detractors. What I can't wrap my head around is how someone who doesn't like a certain type of car, music, or computer can't understand or accept the fact that other people might feel differently. Speak for yourself about McLaren not having "emotion," but don't claim that as if it were a fact that everyone agrees with. I certainly don't feel that way.
     
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    I forgot that only the Mayor's emotions matter and nerds/geeks/engineers/scientists aren't allowed to be exited over different things.

    On the list of emotional, exciting things in the world, driving a Ferrari is probably 100,081 or something like that.

    As for the Ferrari engine bay, why should I or many others give a **** about looking at some barely visible plastic? I don't think you can even see the engine in a Ferrari unless you make an effort to, like leaning over it, and I can't imagine why I'd ever look at it other than to see if something is wrong. Th engine is visible in my McLaren and I never look at it. Hell, under sunlight I don't think you could even see it without popping the hatch simply due to glare and reflections.

    Assuming you've actively already made the effort to lean over and look at it, here's what it looks like more often than not:

    So exciting to see some washed out, barely visible crap while trying to avoid leaning on and scratching your car, right?

    http://4-photos.motorcar.com/used-2016-ferrari-488_gtb-2drcoupe-12494-15785060-38-640.jpg

    https://edge.alluremedia.com.au/uploads/businessinsider/2017/02/ferrari1.jpg
    Ferrari-458-Speciale-Engine.jpg
     
  42. TheMayor

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    As usual Mr. Noone1 proves my point.

    Thank you.

    While the Mac Geeks can marvel that their brake rotors weigh 17 grams less, Ferrari owners get to open up their engine hoods and go "Wow.. now that's cool".
     
  43. tobewiser

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    Just to add a perspective or two...

    Freud has written about how the arts (or more directly beauty) can communicate directly with our subconsciousness, and therefore has the ability to bypass social, cultural, and other 'filters' in our minds. The arts (or beauty) also has the ability to generate a great deal of empathy - akin to reasons why we like certain things but not others. Of course, being Freud, he is also implying the human mating choices as well. When one devotes his/her emotion to something (someone) so strongly that all others become a 'threat' or 'challenge' to such a devotion, hence the necessary rejection. That's a major reason why modern music and fine art are often rejected with denouncement - as they are threats to popular, but often uneducated , definitions of beauty. The new 720s headlight design is a very good example which is to many is probably as 'ugly' as Picasso's "Old Woman", 1901.

    Counterpoints: up until several years ago, the 'geeks' (engineers, mechanics, etc., including the venerable Mr. Ferrari himself) believed that in order to make the most beautiful cars, not just the best mechanical version of them (as in the case of Porsche, e.g.), they had to call on the beauticians, i.e,. Pininferina for design. The rest of course is history. So, all the geeks in Ferrari understand beauty, and the emotions that it can conjure or invoke, and had the innate wisdom that such task was beyond their expertise. This is the kind of educated open-mindedness that make Ferrari the most recognizable automotive brand in the world.

    Underneath the skin-deep beauty, a Ferrari, McLaren, or lamborghini, etc., is after all just a pile of well organized geeky contraptions of metal, pipes, bolts, and leather. Some of course admire the Robinsonian (as in Heath Robinson, a British sculptor) heap of mechanical wonders while others never need to look beyond their sensual skin with equal wide-eye admiration. After all, it's the engine geeks in Ferrari that are responsible for the 488's engine of the year award, while Centro Stile is busy cutting holes into the original 458 body.

    Supercars are mechanical art. Freud seems to be right, again!
     
  44. gtjoey

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    Another neat feature is the stalk on the left side of the column.
    When you hit it , it brings up the front end for steep driveways.
    Just well thought out.
    GTJOEY1314
     
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    Actually all 4 corners come up. Not as fast as my GT3RS but quicker than my Huracan. 650 675 a bit slower than 720, part of air improvements.

    Expedited air should get mine here in next couple weeks. Logistics isn't McLaren NA strong suit, and their PR dept shenanigans screwed with my delivery. 40 years buying this stuff, not hard to have friends in Woking. Fun to watch squeeze on morons.

    Vid isn't Saros. Saros on right.
    Other thread has lots of info, prob worth read.
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    Test drove it on Wednesday. It makes my 12C feel slow. Only criticisms are that the A/C seemed a little weak and there is no safety lock on the hood(bonnet).

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    Joey, Your in when the spider comes out......
    On the A/C you had to hit the button and adjust max on the screen, Simon didn't know where it was.
    I was in 100 degrees with 100 percent humidity in my suit and it was fine.
    As for the trunk lock, you don't wack guys in this car, that's why they still make cadillacs
    Ha....
     
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    Safety lock on the hood?
     
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    If you unlock the hood there is no second lock to keep it from opening. I thought it was a requirement.

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    I couldn't sleep all night on that one too
    But then realized I'm under 100 years old and threw caution into the wind;)
    Gtjoey720s living in danger
     
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    Not much under one hundred.

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  52. Jo Sta7

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    Saw the car today, lava red (or whatever Mclaren calls it). It's so striking in person. The details really stand out. Driving position is excellent. I love the tech. The eye socket headlights really work a lot better in person. 0-124 in 7.8 seconds, amazing.
     

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