Mille Miglia 2010

Attending the MM has been a dream of mine for a while. I doubt I could ever drive it, but attending/viewing from some cities would be wonderful. I can understand wanting to keep the modern era separate from historical, but aren't they running at different times anyway? A drive in a modern car would be nice, but I can't imagine anything comparing to the drive in a historic. Best of luck to all who are going, and I'll be waiting for the picture thread again.

 

There have been fatal crashes on the MM revival.

Harlan Schwartz
Year of death: 2004
Race: XXII Mille Miglia Storica

 

Also William Schanbacher in 1990.

 

Go guys!

Gr. Martin

 

It turns out that the Sunbeam Rapier has quite a following. Check out their club website:

http://www.sunbeams92.com/page7.html#FBsale

This one needs a little work but you can't beat the price...

http://www.autabuy.com/Vehicles/Details.cfm?VID=38116&Year=1957&Make=SUNBEAM&Model=RAPIER

Here is a rally-spec one:

http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/classic-car-page.php/carno/70687
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I contemplated taking a break this year, but my brother has just convinced me that come May I would regret it.

So... See you in Brescia (if our car is accepted of course)!

Cheers,

Julio

 

will be doing the tourist bit next year, accomodation and ferries booked. might bump into some of you that are going.

Anyone thought of doing the Coppa delle Dolomiti at all? Seems a less frantic event with excellent driving?

 

I attended the 2009 MM... My opinion, No modern cars. I think you stat to lose something and other than the outside door decal I would have trouble knowing the difference between a commuter from an entrant.

 

Just finished the application process.
hopeful lets see...

elad

 

Brescia traffic is a nightmare with only the MM Classic cars and spectators. I could only imagine the traffic with a hundred or a few hundred more cars.

The 'Jolly Hotel' in Brescia is a great place to stay.



Try and also get over to Milan to see the Alfa Romeo Museum:

http://www.alfaromeo.com/cgi-bin/pbrand.dll/NEWALFA_COM/controller/alfaworld/alfaworld.aspx?language=1&category=PB_TMPL_FIAT_WORLD%7C/MENU/HISTORY

 

maybe in 2011.

 

What are the main considerations in getting accepted?

I see there is an Ellena for sale with modern Mille Miglia history-- would a car like that be more or less likely to be accepted?

 

You would probably eventually get accepted. Unlikely with the first application though.

 

We shall see......

 

Interesting...

how much credit (if any) do the give cars that have done multiple MM historic and are eligible this year as well? does it increase/decrease/or nothing the chances wise?

My car is 1955, right smack in the "to be reduced" time bracket according the the website.

Any thoughts?

Elad

 

Hallo

To your first question pls see the table at the bottom of this link:
http://www.1000miglia.eu
Go to 2010 link ,then click the program to drivers and cars, then acceptance of cars, then look at the bottom of that page.

Clearly less 1953 and older cars.

My car last did the MM in 2004.

Its a 1955 OSCA MT4 - TN

i am restoring another MM car, but to be honest, for my first MM rather do it in a barchetta, then a coupe. The other (coupe) car should have no issue getting accepted...

rgds

 

Amen.

Sorry, don't want to offend but anybody that runs the modern MM and thinks they are doing the same as say Ascari or Stirling Moss is completely fooling himself. Those guys were not just trying to get an old car to the finish line, they were RACING and flying, facing incredible dangers to themselves and the crazy spectators.

I have 2 wonderful books on the original race thanks to my wife, and one or both start of with a very insightful passage by the author stating effectively what I have just said above.

We also have to remember that the Mille Miglia was created to improve roads in struggling Italy and also to advance the automobile (which it did very well and is probably why Italian cars are very strong and heavy, ie. to handle the sub standard roads of the period).

Thus the roads are completely different (as are Australias roads compared to the 50's), you are not racing (and should not be) and the poor old cars have absolutely nothing to prove because unlike in the old days they are no longer flying the "look how clever my manufacturer is" flag of cutting edge technology.

Again, as I've said before, ALL forms of historic and classic motorracing should be taken as participation of a fun event that bears absolutely nothing to the original and thus the cars should be driven but extremely simpathetically AND importantly driver egos should take a back seat big time as the crowds want to see and hear the cars. There is nothing to gain from smashing a 50's Ferrari/Alfa Romeo, etc. into a wall trying to gain 1 second on the guy in front (which was what it was all about when it was real) ... crowd won't approve (except for a few weird English types that seem to love seeing old cars driven until destroyed) and the poor car did not deserve that.
Pete
ps: Wish I could do the modern MM event too, but I'd be touring and waving at the crowd and taking in the scenary, and simply wondering what it would have been like 50+ years ago.

 

Very nice! Love OSCA's.

Don't mean to offend either, but I would be surprised if that was the case. I think it is far more likely these guys just wanted to organise a race of attrition that was daring and would be a true accomplishment to finish. To think there were lofty goals seems a bit too much credit for me. I can see the old fogeys in my head at the 1955 start line saying to each other "you know, back in the day, when we did this 28 years ago, it was a REAL race! The roads make it too easy nowadays!".

But the spirit of your post is completely correct IMO. I think we should view the modern Mille Miglia as a tribute to the old one. It is full of Italian passion for motorsport, but a hot-blooded race it is not. How should we then see the new MM Tribute? Well, I guess it should have been called the MM Tribute Tribute...

BTW - I'm amazed at the entries, Oscar. Makes me wonder how many cars were entered for the Tribute....


Onno

 

I almost quoting the author of the 2 Mille Miglia books I have. But yes the 3 (I think) guys who started it were obviously race nutters, but to make it happen they had to get government support, etc. and it did lead to much improved roads. If I can find time I'll find the passage and quote it direct.

Best
Pete

 

I hope Elad does not mind if I satisfy Oscar's curiosity by quoting a public forum:

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/746216-post43.html
http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/794963-post69.html

Best wishes to both on your applications. If automotive beauty is the criteria you both should have no trouble, and I will savor the photos. Hope to join you in 2011 with my A6 1500.

Don

 

i loved the targa florio last year.
i dont yet have a mm eligible car, but if anybody needs a co-driver that can handle a car, speaks italian, and is willing to do the dirty work, send me a mail !