Miura, the original supercar

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  1. Bertocchi

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    I finally tracked down a copy of the Miura Bible and spent the three day weekend reading it. Important work and most informative.
     
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    Good to hear David.
     
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    LAMBORGHINI MIURA BIBLE BOOK SACKEY | eBay

    They are getting expensive!!

    I gave my first copy to the buyer of our former Miura S and had the hardest time finding another copy for less than $200...
     
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    Joe, It's your fault !

    You only have to make a new batch to calm down speculation on your fantastic book !!

    but there will always be the 1st prints, and, the reprints !!!
     
  6. joe sackey

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    Thank you and I wish it was that easy.
     
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  8. miurasv

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    I loaned my copy to a former boss of mine. When I got it back the wraparound cover was ripped and the corners of the hardback cover were knawed and looked like they've been chewed by a mouse. I'm gutted to say the least.
     
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    #15658 GaetanVDK, May 31, 2017
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    Seen at Cars & Coffee Brescia 9 April 2017
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    I'm just glad you made it available on Apple store
     
  12. joe sackey

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    He should keep it and buy you a new one off EBay!
     
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    Would you lend your Wife ?!
     
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    There's 1 for 1,800 dollars !!!

    Maybe I could sell mine for 1,500 and buy the one at 600 !!!

    LOL !!!
     
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    I think this is 4880 looking a bit the worse for wear @ Rudi Klein's famed Los Angeles establishment for wrecked exotics.
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    I believe it's #3357, it looks like an early P400 :
    - no S badge on the rear
    - early grab handle, window handle and door skin
    - early Bertone badge
    - black trim around the windows and eye lashes
     
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    I have through the years experienced a few Miuras but never felt fully comfortable with the cars. One of them felt too fragile and another one had too many issues and wasn’t sorted at all. I’ve even tested a Miura with a Chevy 350 small block and ZF-transaxle, but none of these cars convinced me.

    The guy I mentioned in the headline, Leif Nilsson, used to import Italian and German sports cars to Sweden in the seventies and eighties. He had his heart by Lamborghini and lots of the Swedish Miuras and Countaches have gone through his hands, for instance the very well known black Innocenti SV, now owned by Simon Kidston. And as Leif was acquainted to Valentino Balboni he even invited him to Knutstorp Raceway for Lamborghini meetings and demonstrations. First time I got to know Leif, I was driving along in a friend’s Islero . As Leif had his Lamborghini t-shirt on I began to talk to him about cars. Being an inexperienced youngster I asked him to compare the Miura and the Countach and these were his words :

    - The Countach is like driving a Ford Granada but the Miura you know – and his face lit up – it is wild.

    Since a few months being in the possession of a late Miura S, I now, almost forty years later, got the feeling of what he talked about. With a body that almost makes a man blush, and being dressed in innocent white, you carefully approach the car. You slowly warm it up and don’t try any tricks before it’s really hot. I struggled along on high gear and was amazed how sweet she felt, not coughing, not hesitating at all when the pedal was pressed at 1500 rpms in fifth gear. All gauges where right on tip with a very healthy oil pressure so I dared to give it a go.
    I changed down three steps and bottomed the pedal. It sucked air through the carbs, it whined from the transfer gears and made the most powerful sound from the exhaust. I let the rev counter all the way to where either courage or hanging valves will stop you. Third gear and the same almost unbelievable power forced the car forward and then changing from third to fourth and still this awesome acceleration. And this in an almost fifty years old car.

    I do understand what Leif meant forty years ago. It is the contrast of the pure lines of the car, the smoothness of the engine, the easiness of driving along and the raw power and speed that makes it so wild. I began to press it and approached the curves with more and more speed. Hard braking while blipping the gas pedal to spare the synchromesh in the gearbox when double clutching on the downshifts and then full power out of the curves.
    Filled with confidence I took it to Sturup Raceway for a track day last weekend and it behaved as good there as on the road. Full throttle or hard braking, it went straight as an arrow and in long sweeping curves it was much more neutral than I had expected. New firm bushings in the suspension are probably more important to the car’s behaviour than wide wheels and the Espada’s lower rear suspension arm that the SV was fitted with. But it is no racing car as it is. In the sharp hairpins it lost its oil pressure due to the construction with the oil pick up in the middle of the transverse engine. But hadn’t it been for my gliding through the two hairpins on the track I would have given the 911:s and Lotuses a tougher match.

    Having said this about the Miura I have to give some credit to the Countach as well. It is as fast, it sounds as good, it turns and brakes even greater but you don’t expect anything less. It’s look says everything so you don’t get so surprised as with the Miura. OK, it is real hardcore, but not at all as wild as the Miura.

    Maybe more like a Ford Granada?

    Lars-Erik
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    Nice text, nice pics.
     
  22. joe sackey

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    Correct, easy to see that's a P400.

    Hilarious.

    I too have experience a few Miuras over the years - I hate to keep bringing this up but it seems necessary to underscore the subsequent point - 5 different Miura SVs over the years. To balance this out, I've also owned over 10 different Countach, multiples of everything from LP400 to 25th.

    By the way I felt very comfortable with all the Miuras I owned, but, not as comfortable as the Countach in terms of both safety & reliability.

    Whilst I realize that Leif was simply trying to convey the point that he really loved the Miura, as do I, the notion that the Countach can in any meaningful way be compared with a Ford Granada is, well, just silly, and makes the analogy rather redundant. Neither the Miura nor the Countach can remotely be compared to any type of pedestrian saloon or estate car in any way, shape, or form. They are both automotive individuals, icons of their time.

    A more appropriate, helpful & relevant comparo would be that driving the Miura gives one the sense of occasion of driving a 60s mid-engined sports car racer, with the dominant feeling being the impressive sight of the voluptuous front fenders, and the unbelievable sound of that V12 engine just inches behind your neck. In fact, you can see the throttle-linkages moving and the Weber carburettors and for sheer emotion, the Miura is an unforgettable drive.

    The Countach on the other hand, is like driving nothing else on planet earth, not the F40, nothing. The mere act of opening those 'Carabo' doors and settling into that sleek body punctuated by that steeply raked windshield will strike fear into the heart of most drivers. You know its about to go down and you better get ready. Its way more avantegarde than the Miura which seems a bit normal compared to the Countach.

    Of course, if you compare the ultimate variant Miura (SV) to the ultimate variant Countach (Downdraft) in terms of power, the Countach accelerates better, is faster, handles better, and brakes better, so its really the 'drivers' choice car. And that comes from me who loves them both.
     
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    Joe!

    If you never had the fortune to drive any of these cars you can almost believe you do when reading your expressive description!

    Well written!

    Lars-Erik
     
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    Many thanks.

    I've come across a number of colorful characters over the years, who have said many things about the Miura & Countach, most of which my hands-on experience over the same period found to be a figment of their healthy imagination.
     
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    What exactly is in those binders? I see the chassis #s, so assume some information on the build... is it detailed?
     
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    These are the original production records filed by model by chassis number. The vast majority still exist. Each record is kept in a separate plastic folder with a summary sheet on top. The contents are in varying degrees of detail/completeness.
     
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    @Lel...thank you for sharing.
     
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    Does anyone have an SV front clip for sale? Please PM me.
     
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    #15678 joe sackey, Jun 12, 2017
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    The 22nd Miura is an early Miura P400, chassis number 3021, fitted with engine number 1109, completed at Sant Agata on June the 1st 1967, to Karl Foitek in Switzerland.

    If you are in the market for a restored Miura, please contact me offline.
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    There's a specialist in Italy that can re-make each and every bodypart you would need.

    Ex-pen-si-ve.
     
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    Hi, last wekend was a meeting of legends in Prague. At these meeting was possible to see one Miura - see attachments. Would somebody identify the seriál number?
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    Please feel free to PM me the info or post here. I know of a firm in Germany that is manufacturing individual alloy panels for the front clip as well, but we are really hoping someone somewhere has an original SV clip for sale. Anyone???
     
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    #3390

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    Thanks !
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    Is it true that #3513 is a Miura P400 in RHD that used to belong to the Sultan of Brunei and used to wear the UK registrations WEE55K? Thanks. Robert
     
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    Correct, its a P400, and not anywhere near the end of P400 production either.

    My records show:

    Color - Giallo/Blu

    Engine number - 1769

    Production Number - 154

    Completion Date - March the 11th 1968

    Dealer - Lamborcar for Pigoli

    Many of the P400 components appear missing or changed over the years, so a restoration will involve not inconsiderable effort beyond that of a car that has all its original components present & preserved.
     
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    Cheers, Joe.
     
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    Does anybody have a photo of an Azzurro Mexico colored Miura?
    Or at least a paint sample?
    Or the differences between the lights blues: azzuro cielo, azzurro fiat, azzurro mexico,...

    Many thanks,
     
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    #15691 Olivier NAMECHE, Jun 26, 2017
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    Gaetan,

    Off the 6x Miura produced in Azzurro Mexico, none kept its color...

    here is an Espada in that original color !
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    All correct Robert. First owner the Sultan who ascended the throne October 1967 at the age of 21 following Sandhurst training. Miura #185 completed 31 May 1968, then he was crowned August 1968. Interesting period for him !

    Later owned by Le Mans winner Duncan Hamilton.
     
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    Thanks Olivier.
    No older photos of a Miura anyone?
    Thanks,


     
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    Seems to be a lot odd with this car, what do you think it would take to correct it and bring it back? Does it still retain a P400 engine or did they swap that as well?
     
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    I can't answer either question without inspecting the car myself.

    But, from images alone, you can see that many of the P400 components were replaced to make it look like a P400S, it even has an SV front bumper.

    IMO, this car will be a major restoration challenge, that said, nothing is impossible.
     
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    It looks like the centre part of the bumper is missing.
     
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    Steven, believe me its not the only thing that was CUT on this poor Miura!

    They took the hacksaw to the rear lower bodywork as well.

    But, all can be made good again.
     
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    #15698 Robert W, Jul 12, 2017
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    Miura thread has gone quiet for too long, and I've been meaning to ask this question for a while.

    Below are two Miura P400s

    WGC526G is white and RHD taken in 1969 at Lamborghini UK (photo by Bob - you know who you are)

    WGC527G is orange and LHD taken by me in the Summer of 1991 at Silverstone.

    Does anyone know the identity of either car, and why the number plates are one apart - it is easy to assume the orange car was imported at the same time as the white car, but with Lamborghinis you never know!

    Any ideas?

    Many thanks

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    The photo was not taken by Bob,it was taken by a mechanic working at Lamborghini in Alie Street London in 68/69,I was given it by Colin Clarke along with some other pics which we promised not to put on the internet.
    The photo of the white Miura in the picture belonged to Twiggy and is photographed in a famous picture that Joe had put on this site
    The orange miura is LHD and was rebuilt by Omricon Engineering, it has since been sold, maybe Joe knows where it is, as for the number plates all I can think of is that Lamborghini were issued with a few numbers that were consecutive at the time,I also think the orange car was the first Miura in the UK but I am not 100% sure
    The Blue Daytona reg number 4040 KB was mine
     
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    Bob posted the first photo on another forum.

    WGC527G Miura P400 in orange is #3027, it turns out.

    The white Miura belonged to Twiggy? Interesting - which P400 car did she own?

    3961 is a lime green Miura S with stripes known as the Twiggy car.

    I wondered if WGC526G car was #3516 when it was originally white/bla pre-Omicron SV upgrade and plate change to VAB11G?
     

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