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  1. Lussolover

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    Thanks for the pics.

    Maybe Marcel can chime in here but my understanding is 3 lussos were raced this and fhe 2 targa florio cars? Also this is the first production lusso making it hugely significant in my mind. I'm not sure if it was the first ever raced but I believe in a hill climb in belgium. Hopefully someone can say if this is correct or not?


    I've seen it for many years race at monterey and its very fast and beautiful. Best of the best.
     
  2. PSk

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    The first production Lusso is cool, but I really don't understand why there is any excitement about it's period racing history. That was pretty minor stuff. Not like it competed in a championship (hill climb or otherwise) or at Le Mans, etc.

    A guy bought a brand new Ferrari and raced it a few (3) times, good on him, but there is nothing more to it.
    Pete
     
  3. wbaeumer

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    2 of their former owners told me that the car handles like a dog on circuits...
    The Lusso was a true GT-car, nothing less - but nothing more...

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  4. DWR46

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    Walter: 4213 is VERY fast at Laguna Seca. We race against it in the same class. Each year the car and driver get quicker. I do not know what has been done to the suspension and obviously the engine is pretty highly uprated, but "that Lusso" is not a dog on the race track.
     
  5. wbaeumer

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    Dyke, I got the statement when the car was in Germany years. At that time suspension etc. was rather standart.

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  6. Lussolover

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    Does anybody know if the car has actually changed suspension etc. or what exactly has been modified?


    I was gonna say if this car is a slow dog the same can be said for 250 gto based upon them gentlemanly racing at laguna. Obviously gto can vary widel in performance! Especially at the track, how hard does owner want to push etc.. It also does not look too doggish when it comes out of the andretti hair pin full sideways carrying speed. The exhaust / engine note on track is one of the best and sounds better than the gto's ive seen it race against. My guess is this car will give most gto's a run for their money despite not coming with the race pedigree.
     
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  8. intrepidcva11

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    +1
     
  9. intrepidcva11

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    My recollection is that the Lusso engine was rated at 240hp and the SWB at 260-270. Marcel cold doubtless shed light.
     
  10. DWR46

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    Seth: The 250 outside plug street engines were all the same actual power, whether they were installed in a 2+2, SWB or Lusso. They made between 235-240 bhp on the factory dynos. Comp 1960 engines made about 270-280 bhp and the very few Comp 1961 motors were in the 287-296 bhp range.
     
  11. BIRA

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    I am sure Roelofs can get 340hp of a SWB engine. I had 240 on mine , a Stek car although raced in period, but to tell the truth, the car felt underpowered. The year after I drove the LM in Tour Auto, definitely not underpowered, not so much because of the engine but because it's a very light car. On the other side of spectrum, the Daytona Group4 with a Roelofs engine at 486hp at Dyno even in a heavy car, is adequate, as they used to say at Rolls Royce.
     
  12. PSk

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    Only for people that don't understand classic car racing.

    I guess dominating the business world so they can afford these cars generates a certain mindset, sigh.
    Pete
     
  13. intrepidcva11

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    DW, correct; I was thinking of the comp SWB's when I wrote
     
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  15. miurasv

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    #10063 miurasv, Jul 30, 2017
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    Seiko poster said to be from around 1971.
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  16. GIOTTO

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    Auto Sprint 1977
     
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    Wouhaou!!!

    belle serie ces Marabout. je l'avais celui là
     
  19. miurasv

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    Thanks. I had that exact watch when I was 12. My father bought about 10 of them for family and friends. I loved it but I fiddled with the chrono flyback buttons so much the hands fell off after a few years. Wish I still had it.
     
  20. GIOTTO

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    #10068 GIOTTO, Aug 11, 2017
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    Postcard.
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  21. scuderia328

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    #10069 scuderia328, Aug 11, 2017
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    1965 : Ferrari 330 GT 2+2 VS Citroën 2 CV = Paris-Nice
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  22. BIRA

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    The Skoda arrived first and got the best parking space😬
     
  23. omd78

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    :D:D:D

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  25. Bertocchi

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    #10075 Bertocchi, Aug 23, 2017
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    From my collection, taken in the late 1970s in Connecticut.
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  26. intrepidcva11

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    David, is that the LM that I saw in Luigi Chinetti Jr's garage in CT in the late 70's, early 80's?
     
  27. Aardy

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  28. Bertocchi

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    The car was there because of Francois Sicard, he was going to restore it or work on it. He also did work for the Chinettis and still might? I'm not sure if there is a connection.
     
  29. michael platzer

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    Two different cars. the right one is his 500 SF 6267SF built for him with 330 engine and the left one a 250 GT SWB Speciale 2613GT.
     
  30. Jeff Kennedy

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    Francois at that time was working for/first responsibility to P.P.P.
     
  31. kevfla

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    Eventually end up with Joe Rosen? He had a funny vanity plate on his LM!
     
  32. intrepidcva11

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    #10082 intrepidcva11, Aug 24, 2017
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    of course; Francois and Nereo Iori were the two lead mechanics for Chinetti's NART. Iori did the full mechanical restoration of my 365GTC speciale. Last time I saw Francois was at lunch following an Adirondack road rally from Saratoga Automobile Museum to the Lake George Club. He was riding shotgun to Denise McCluggage, driving her pale yellow Sebring NART Spyder two cars behind the 412.
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  33. Bertocchi

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    Iori was my Mentor, the man that taught me my craft, and my very dear friend. I tell my son that Iori, Coco Chinetti, and Ivo Brillo were all at his Baptism.
    Francois and I are friends but its' different. I worked for P3 after Francois left.
     
  34. intrepidcva11

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    David, my throat got tight when I read yours. What recollections. In 1981 or 82 I decided to do a full mechanical restoration of my GTC. I put it in the hands of a fellow named Dean Nastahowski - his Company was Imported Cars of Connecticut - and I did so because Iori was working for him and I specified that only Iori could work on my car. Dean went out of business when the GTC was less than half done. Iori took the car home and finished it in his own garage. Couple of times I drove up from the City to watch Iori work. He line-bored the crank and all four camshafts BY HAND. And fitted new Lobro half-shafts that Ferrari had introduced in the 365GTC and then the Daytona. Iori gave me back a flawless car that I miss still. Still miss him too, a supremely special man.
     
  35. Bertocchi

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    #10085 Bertocchi, Aug 24, 2017
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    I'm sure you will remember this photo which is buried in this thread somewhere. I used to work with him at in the small two car garage next to his home. I may have done some work on your car?
    I ended up with a 308GT4 from the garage in Norwalk. The had broken the rear window and dented the roof of the car while removing the motor. The car belonged to an Architect named Robert Jones. I too cleaned up the mess and ended up with a good customer.
    There are hundreds of great stories to tell about this man I adored.
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  36. intrepidcva11

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    #10086 intrepidcva11, Aug 25, 2017
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  37. Jeff Kennedy

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    Joe had 5901 that he got from Bodin.
     
  38. Bertocchi

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    I redid components for Iori like repaint cam covers in wrinkle black.
    My in-laws had a bakery in Cos Con and we'd use the ovens to heat cylinder heads for valve guide removal, etc. I vividly remember rebuilding a 275GTB/4 for Enrique Senior.
    Willy Stingone repainted the car afterwards.
     
  39. Bertocchi

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    #10089 Bertocchi, Sep 1, 2017
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    These are not my photos and I do not know the source but they are from my collection of Nereo Iori photos.
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  40. Christian.Fr

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    #10090 Christian.Fr, Sep 2, 2017
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    By S. Volpi
    15 Coppa Ciano Montenero del 1935. Cappotto dell'Alfa Romeo che conquistò i primi 5 posti nella classifica generale. Da sinistra Antonio Brivio (2^), Tazio Nuvolari (1^), il Patron Enzo Ferrari, Carlo Felice Trossi (3^), Renè Dreyfuss (4^). Seminascosto da Ferrari il 5^ arrivato Costantino Magistri.
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  41. wbaeumer

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    Tautala Igilisi oe valea!
     
  42. readplays

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    Can someone list the c/n of the 275 #41 in the last pic?

    This has to be one of my all-time Top 10 favorite 275 pics.
    What a road warrior. :)
     
  43. GIOTTO

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    #10311.
     
  44. readplays

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    Merci beaucoup!

    Just checked on barchetta. It seems to have gone from Kroymans in the group purchase to Tom Price who apparently is/has put it back to original configuration.
    Interestingly, I 'know' this car as it was a Road & Track Salon feature when owned by Skip Berg and painted giallo fly or something near that.

    This would be a wonderful car to have. Perhaps even better with original scars, etc.
     
  45. cwi

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    First pic - P4 0860 #22 Pedro Rodriguez - ©Ron Laymon
    Third pic - P4 0860 #22 Pedro Rodriguez - ©Karl Ludvigsen
     
  46. Marcel Massini

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    That website is wrong.
    In 2012 #10311 went to a Swiss billionaire who kept it a little more than two years until it was sold via an UK dealer to a collector in USA (mid-west).

    Marcel Massini
     
  47. readplays

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    Thanks Marcel. I hope whoever has it is taking the car back to Avorio and the spec it raced under in period.
     
  48. Marcel Massini

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    No need to "take it back to Avorio"!! It still IS Avorio.
    As said, that website is full of errors.

    Marcel Massini
     
  49. 19633500GT

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    #10099 19633500GT, Sep 4, 2017
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    The photo is "B&W", was it MDarkBlue/Tan then?

    From '76 maybe

    S/N #7121 (I think? Does Bruce still own this?)
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  50. NürScud

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    It is so beautiful.
     

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