My Father Used To Own Racing Ferraris

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  2. Mang

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    Wow - amazing! some VERY special Ferrari's in that group, great taste! My favorite Ferrari car era by far.
     
  3. Pantdino

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    Let's see- $8400 for a 250GTO in 1970. In 1971 my tuition at Stanford was $2700, so the car was about 3 times that. For the 2007-8 academic year tuition at Stanford is $34,800, so 3 times that is like $100K.

    What kind of 8 year old Ferrari will $100K get you today?
     
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    A 550 Maranello; maybe an optionless, Euro, converted 360 Modena.


    Thanks for the link, Cliff. Your father owned some amazing cars.
     
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    Thanks for posting Cliff.

    I spent a good bit of time last week browsing through all the Bandini's, Abarth's etc., quite the eye opener!
     
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  9. Jeff Kennedy

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    I hade no idea that this level of significant early Ferraris had called St. Louis their home. Looks like your did was the local Ed Niles for a while.

    So how many of these did you sneak out with when the family wasn't looking (should we say not in hearing distance)?

    Jeff
     
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    The only other real collector/racer I know of was Dave Biggs who's barn/garage famously burned down
    in Clarksville Missouri.

    I was too young to drive any of the ferraris, but did drive his 1955 Porsche Spyder around Gateway
    Raceway (with his blessing) before they made it into a real track.

    He also had other Porsche racing cars as well as Maseratis and more. If anyone is interested in seeing them
    click on the link below:

    http://www.cliffreuter.com/Dad's%20classic%20cars.htm
     
  11. open roads

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    I'm nominating this one for post of the month.

    Thanks for sharing.
     
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    If you've never been, you owe yourself a trip to Chuck Haines' Can Am Cars just west of town.
     
  13. etceterini.com

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    Those are great articles but we differ with "330 GTO 3765SA". This car was a homologated 250 GTO
    and it was stamped 3765 with no SA (Super America). It has the SAME chassis/frame as any
    other GTO. For some reason people think it has a 330 SA frame and we are here to say, NO!

    Anyone have any insight on this?
     
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    It's things like this that keep me coming back to Fchat. Thank you for posting that up. What a wonderful experience. Reminds me of growing up near Paul Pappalardo's collection.

    CW
     
  16. readplays

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    According to the Cavallino article, 3765's chassis is unique and bears the type 538/566. My understanding was that it didn't acquire the 3-liter block (0796) until 1963 when then in the hands of- Cavallino lists the owner as Timavo, but I thought his name was Timavo P. Ferraro. Then Tossi, then you guys. I was able to spend time in and around 3765 before and after restoration. What a fantastic car.
     
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    Barchetta.cc has it listed as Pietro Ferraro, Cartiera del Timavo SpA, I - alias "Montin"

    Then: Ferdinando Latteri, I

    Then Tossi (Mario)

    Then us

    They list it as 3765LM take a look:

    http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/3765GT.250GTO.htm

    We restored the car (with an engine rebuild by my Dad) and he says the chassis was
    the same as any other GTO he'd ever seen.

    Did you see the car while with its current owner, Jaeger??

    PS He thought it was only hitting on 11 cylinders after the rebuild!!
     
  18. pastmaster

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    Tremendous!!! Thank You for enriching our knowledge of these rolling treasures! What memories and joys you have of your Father, and his passion for Ferrari, Maserati, Porsche, etc. :D

    Ciao...Paolo
     
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    #17 ferrarip4, Nov 6, 2008
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    Some photos of 3765... (copyrights on photo or unknown)

    Le Mans 1962 Parkes/Bandini #7 (DNF: Overheating, probably because of the excursion in the sand...)
    Targa Florio 1965 Latteri/Capuano (with 3 litre engine) #114 (DNF)
    07-Ferrari 330 GTO 3765GT LM62.jpg
    07-Ferrari 330 GTO 3765GT-4LM62.jpg
    3765SA TargaFlorio 65 3 litre engine.jpg
    TargaFlorio1965 3765SA capuano latteri.jpg
     
  20. kare

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    I have no exact docs, but it is possible that the 3-litre was installed as late as for the 1965 season for Ferdinando Latteri. Ferrari turned it back to factory in 11/63, I believe. Best wishes, Kare
     
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    I am 100% sure 3765 was raced in 65 Targa Florio with a 3 litre engine, therefore the swap was done before may 65, probably sometimes in 1964 (according to Cavallino and Barchetta). If you look at the 65 Targa Florio pics, you see that the bonnet does not have the big hump clearance for the larger engine, but looks more like a 250 GTO bonnet, except of course for the crude air intake (with single flap) at the front...
     
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    More like 80! ;)
     
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    Awesome pics and thnak you for sharing them. I met your Dad several times at the FCA Annual Meets in the early 70s. I believe he sold the "O" to Fred Leydorf who was then President of FCA. Correct me if I'm wrong. I remember when he brought the 500 TRC to Grosse Point in the early 70s.
     
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    That does indeed look like the same car that Mr Leydorf had (prior to Mr. Jaeger).
     
  25. readplays

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    Same car. Fred bought the car from Mr. Reuter, kept it for ten years and then sold it to Jim Jaeger. When Jim got it, the nose still had the slot cut in it which it retained until Al Roberts restored it for him. I had the privilege of meeting Fred circa 1990 and he explained that he had sold 3765 in part to focus on the restoration of 375MM #0472AM with Dave Cummins. Really nice guy, that Mr. Leydorf.
     
  26. ferrarip4

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    IMHO, he should have kept 3765...
     
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    #25 etceterini.com, Nov 6, 2008
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    Yes,
    Fred is a great guy who also had (and has) some great cars! He showed his 375MM at Pebble Beach
    two years ago, it's a beauty! My Dad, Jack, still enjoys his cars and currently has two Bandinis which
    are pictured below. Please let me know what you guys think about the Bandinis.
    ban1.jpg
    ban2.jpg
    ban3.jpg
     
  28. donv

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    Fantastic pictures, and great thread! Thank you for sharing!
     
  29. etceterini.com

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    Yes, Fred was the President of the FCA and traded the TRC for the GTO with my Dad.

    Last thing I'll post is a link to my SCCA racing results page. You can see how these great
    cars and drivers competed in "amateur" racing:

    http://www.ferrariexperts.com/SCCA%20results%20test%20page.htm

    Cheers,

    -cliff reuter
     
  30. 4re308

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    AMAZING thread, wow Jack owned some amazing Ferraris. Jeeez that 500TRC and the GTO have me DROOLING! :)
     
  31. Kevin2772

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    Wow, amazing collection of cars. I knew I recognized that GTO as I now know where it resides here in Cincy!
     
  32. ferrarip4

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    Mister Yeager owns it...
     
  33. readplays

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    3765 is owned in Cincinnati by Jim Jaeger.
    Not to be confused with Harry Yeaggy in Cincinnati who owns 0850 (Napolis can more properly tell you whether it's a 412P or a 330 P3/4).
    Jaeger has also been the owner of Corvette Grand Sport (roadster) 002 for the last 17 years- (which, according to Napolis has been sold to RM), and which is being auctioned by RM in January.
    Not to be confused with Yeaggy who is the owner of Corvette Grand Sport (roadster) 001.
     
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    #32 ferrarip4, Nov 11, 2008
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    0850 is clearly a 412P since it has a carburated engine. It also has, If I'm not mistaken, the P3's 2412mm wheelbase... It was built as a 412P (and was not a 1966 P3 transformed to 412P) in 1967 for Écurie Francorchamps...

    You can see the owner in the following Hemmings article: http://www.hemmings.com/hsx/stories/2007/01/01/hmn_feature1.html.


    Best.
     
  35. Kevin2772

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    I used to always see Mr. Yeaggy driving his F40 around town, i know he has quite the collection as well!
     
  36. Napolis

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    Correct. 0850 and 0854 were originally built up as 412P's. Their chassis are P3. (2412MM) All of the P 3 chassis were built at the same time in 66 but 0850 and 0854 weren't built up into cars until 1967.
     
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    Fantastic photos.
    -250 TR n°15 is #0720.
    -Blue car with white stripe and n°41 is the 315s #0656 of E. D. Martin.
    -The photo with the blue/grey and white stripe 500 TRC is inverted (n°47).
     
  39. Wolf

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    Anybody aby idea which Maserati 200SDI car #91 in the second picture is?

    Regards


    Wolfi
     
  40. tongascrew

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    Fabulous post.Really brings back the good old days thnaks much. just one man's opinion tongascrew
     
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    An amazing thread, to have grown up in the presence of those great cars must have been very special, thanks for sharing the pictures with us.
     
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    Obviously at Ken Hutchison's place as also his 0128E 212 Export is at the back,

    ciao
    Oscar
     
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    The first time I visited Shelton Ferrari in the middle 80's they had just received 3765 for restoration. During my frequent travels to Ft. Lauderdale I would see how the project was going and hearing how the potential value was climbing. The last time I saw it they had just finished it were getting ready to load it for transport to the FCA meet. A great car that was wonderfully restored.
     
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    Yes, how nice to see your car there, Oscar. When would this picture have been taken?


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    Early to mid 1970's. Pictures were taken by my father who sold the Monza to Ken H.
     
  47. 275gtb6c

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    Dear Cliff,

    Your father really had good taste in cars! Ken Hutchison also as he bought this Monza and quite some other interesting cars at that time. As I understood he was founder of the Ferrari Club in the US. That little car on the back of that pic is a 212 Export that he owned from 1964 to 1998!

    Onno, answer is in Cliff's reply, although I estimated it earlier. The car is so easy to detect by its colour scheme, even in B&W.

    ciao
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  48. Never Enough

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    Excellent thread.. I love all the vintage pictures of these cars being used as cars back before the values became inflated to the point of the car now becoming a investiment and most likely never to be treated like they were back in the day..

    Thanks for sharing the information and pictures..
     
  49. 275gtb6c

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    Mark,

    I think you underestimate current owners. Many cars are pushed hard these days irrespective of value and risk.
    This opens other discussions as should these cars pushed that hard........

    Ciao
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  51. CornersWell

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    This is like car porn to me!

    CW
     
  52. PSk

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    What does the GTO look like today? ... does it still have that unique front?

    Pete
     

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