I suggested to Jim once to get an old F1 Ferrari, but he prefers cars he can actually drive on the street. I find his attitude so extremely refreshing and cool, it is hard for me to put it in words. Compare that to the trailered garage queens you normally see.
Just trying to get my head around this ... sorry if I'm slowing up everybody else. We have 4 x 412P's (#0854, #0850, #0848 and #0844). Now I assumed, incorrectly, that if Ferrari were building #854 and #850 as new cars they would have been built up using P4 chassis specs ... but Jim later mentioned that they were built using P3 chassis specs, and Wayne already mentioned that the other 2 412P's were modified P3's. Thus I believe I can conclude that a 412P is a P3 chassis spec'ed customer car, that only differs to a pukka P3 in that it's engine is 4 litres and on carbs. I believe the P3's had 3.3 litre fuel injected engines (?). Thus bodywise the 412P = P3 style + differences, but NOT P4 style. This appears to be a good thing for Jim and #0846 as the front clip of #0846 should be P3 style ... I think Thus a role call of P Ferraris would be: P4 - #0860, #0858 and #0856 P3/4 - #0846 412P - #0854, #0850, #0848 and #0844 P3 - ? P2 - ? P - ? (I think this should be 250/275P) Do we have any P3's and other P Ferraris still in existence?. I believe Piper owns a P2 ... but it seems to me that all P3's have either ended up as P3/4 (#0846) or 412P's (#0848 and #0844). Pete
All the P3 engines in 1966 and the P3-4/412P engines in 1967 were identical 4-litre, and identical to the 4-litre version of the P2 of 1965 apart from a higher c/r (and the f/i in 1966). No P3 exists in original form, but all the P2s were given upgraded bodies when sold to the customer teams in 1966 (the regulations on windscreen shape were eased) and Piper's P2/3 s/n 0836 is still as it was in 1966. Paul M Image Unavailable, Please Login
Macca, Yes tried Barchetta ... it crashed my computer!, but I'll try again another day Anyway here is the MotorSport (February 2005) article, author Nigel Roebuck: Pete Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Just a hint/link for the vintage-race lovers: http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56672 Sorry Jim, didn`t wanted to hijack your wonderful thread - just thought thats the place. Wolfgang
If you a Google Image search on 'David Piper Ferrari' you might have more luck......then you can jump to the next/previous page and still effectively be in Google, I think. Paul M
Ask DPPI, maybe.............(www.dppi.net) or the Sarthe Newspapers (Le Maine Libre and Ouest France)
Arlie...(is that your name)? I´ve asked myself the same question. Surely there are a lot of photograps of the car...but this was taking place nearly 40 years ago...and...I suspect that the people with the photos aren´t into computers and the internet. Which of course is a pity. A lot of historical pics get lost. Best Regards: Staff.
in this month's Forza issue # 61 there's a pic of our very own Jim "Napolis" Glickenhaus. also they mention our community ferrarichat.com as the # 1. Congratulations!
I'm sure she's gone to a good home,congratulations Jim (I'm praying you're joking about sandblasting 0846)
We have been chasing down old photographs of the 1950s racers for twnety years. While the collections of guys like Klemantski and Tom Burnside are invaluable, there is an absolute wealth of 'snapshots' buried in basements, attics and garages all over the country from when sports racing was truly grassroots and the interest in it was much more widespread than it is now. Some of the best shots of my father's car came from the widow of a previous owner - a shoebox in a closet yielded hundreds of pictures; many of those shots were printed in the recent Prancing Horse story on the "Cincinnati Gang." Right now we're in agony because we have been told that there is an original 16mm film of the 1955 GP of Venezuela rotting away in the National Library in Caracas. This is the high-water mark for my dad's car where Castelotti drive it to the 2-liter win. We have been told that if we can pay for the translation of the film to digital - at approximately $20/second! - then we can have a copy. . . . . We're trying to make contacts in Caracas to see if anyone either has or can view the film to see if it's worth it.
Wow, must be very exciting. Are there no grants available for preservation of historical pieces like the film footage? I wonder if Ferrari Spa.,the FIA or even Bernie Ecclestone himself would help ease the recovery of this film.
BryanP, I would certainly be hesitant about coughing up the money for a questionable quality 16MM film transfer from a Venezuelan library. I work at a TV station, and we got rid of our 16MM film chain equipment years ago. Those guys in Venezuela would probably load the film on an old Bell & Howell projector and point the lens at a white wall while they recorded the image with a camcorder. Not a quality way to get a good videotape at all. $20 a second is outrageous anyway. In a similar vein, I've often wondered why places like librarys and TV networks even bother to keep their old videos and films. They are a royal pain to store (we have tens of thousands of video tapes in our archives), but the amount of money to be made from an occasional sale of a copy is minimal. I believe that ABC in New York probably has SOME kind of video of the 1967 LeMans race (probably shot on film and later transferred to tape). But they would want a stack of cash to go look for it and then transfer it to another tape.
Ditto. FYI the ABC 67 broadcast feed was BBC/British Pathe which I've searched and is the source of the photo's in my 100 pages.
I envision a 90 minute reel of 2 inch videotape recorded in low band mono format gathering dust in some retired French TV engineer's basement. The grail must exist somewhere!
Jim: Your purchase inspired me to get a third Ferrari as well. An open one too. I'll post details in the Urotrash harassment thread... Cheers, Erik
be cool to scan one, float it between 2 pices of glass, and you have a fine piece of art!!! very nice!
