Next California?

Discussion in 'California' started by churchy, Oct 10, 2013.

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  2. Traveller

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    No way is that a one off FF. I was told the new Cali had a good resemblance to what an F12 spider would look like so I think you are bang on.
     
  3. scuderia92

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    I think you're right. Not sure if I like the front, it's probably too much similar to the FF and F12...
     
  4. mtarvydas

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    My gut says it is the F12 spider that has been rumored. I would be surprised that the next Cali does not have a 2+2 configuration.
     
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    In which case why the changed bonnet louvred and all other panels. A convertible F12 should look like a convertible F12. I do know someone is having one built as a one off and this is another possibility in order to make it different from a true production F12 Spider.
     
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    Well, this does looks like a morphed California but this also does not seem to have a retractable roof. It looks like a hatch, not a retractable rear window panel.

    OTOH, I also think the California replacement will take stylistic hints from the F12.
     
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    I thought a 2 seater FF was an F12!
     
  9. PhilNotHill

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    If Ferrari makes a convertible hard top that looks like an F12 they will sell a ton of them IMVHO.
    A convertible does not need 731 hp to be fun to drive.

    the front of the current Cali has many styling cues from the 599 so it is possible.
     
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    I'm not sure I'd even want 700+ hp. When deciding which Lingenfelter package I wanted on my '12 grand sport, I did a lot of unscientific asking around about how much power it takes to really overwhelm nanny modes and put you in a critical situation. I stopped at 600, It was enough, PLENTY, and without a dct.
     
  11. 4th_gear

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    Putting too much power in the car will just end up making it thirsty. No one can really use the top end except if they are trying to attain bragging rights numbers which are in a way, very counterproductive for potential owners.

    Just make the car lighter instead and the car would serve both the car owners and Ferrari.
     
  12. Peter P

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    Does anyone have any thoughts or insight as to whether Ferrari will ever consider offering a standard transmission in any future cars? I understand that Ferrari has stated that a standard is "inferior technology" that detracts from performance, but one could argue that a convertible also detracts from the potential capabilities of a car as well. But what attracts us to a car is the overall driving experience, in a package that works for that particular buyer. I bought my California, in large part, because it was a beautiful, open air 2+2 seater. But for me, and I'd guess many others, part of the driving experience is running through the gears of a manual transmission, with the brief pause of a perfectly executed shift. From a performance standpoint, nothing can beat my California 30's shift speed. But had Ferrari offered a standard, I would have paid up for that option. Are there enough of us out there to entice Ferrari to offer that option? I would imagine that many California (or its successor) buyers would consider buying a modern 3 pedal car, particularly with a gated shifter. Are the numbers there to entice Ferrari to reconsider?
     
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    Peter, Ferrari has made the decision a few years ago to stop offering a manual transmission on their cars. They state that it is because they are "inferior technology" but in reality IMO it has only to do with sales figures.
    You mention that lots of California buyers would love to have a manual? Only 10 California were sold worldwide with a manual transmission..... I think that says it all!
    People keep saying that they would love a manual transmission but when they have to fork out the cash and order a new Ferrari they all (most) order a DCT :)
     
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    Stylistic convergence. These cars are all starting to look the same.
     
  16. Peter P

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    That's amazing that they only sold 10 California's with a manual -- I wonder if part of that was due to the early infatuation with the superior technology of the DCT over the single clutch transmissions that had been available? It may just be my perspective, but many of the 360 and 430 ads trumpet a standard over automatic and certainly there's a big uproar over Porsche's new GT3, that'll supposedly only be available with a DCT. I really love my California, and maybe it's just nostalgia but the one thing I miss is the driver involvement of manually shifting, hearing the RPM pause and then blasting away. Of course flipping through each gear in milliseconds on the way to highway speeds in a matter of seconds isn't too shabby either...!
     
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    may be a warranty issue as well. DCTs are far more reliable and are supposed to last for the life of the car.
     
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    Have heard the same thing from friends at the factory.
     
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    Isn't that the same as post 11 from last month ?
     
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    #21 ebobh15, Nov 7, 2013
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    I saw this mule shot from March 2013. At the time, they were speculating it might have been a F12 Spider under development, but if you match the patent drawings with the outlines and brake light configuration of the mule, they match pretty well. This car is still pretty covered in critical areas, and you can't get a sense of size, but it could be the 2015 California. No doubt it will be interesting to see what comes out from underneath the covers next March.
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  22. MalibuGuy

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    Looking at the body line by the rear 3/4 window, it appears that the new Cali will have a steeper and taller body line at the rear when the top is retracted than the current Cali.

    I say this after looking at the profile or side view drawing (#5) in the very first post and this test mule pic.
     
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    Also, the bulge on the sides to accommodate the retractable roof are not as prominent & the tail lights are in one assembly, thus eliminating the current issue of brake lights being too low and not illuminated enough. If this mule is a hint of what the 2015 will be, I think even those folks who hate the California will quietly line up to buy one.
     
  24. qwertstnbir

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    I think that the most important question is what engine will run this car.
     
  25. ebobh15

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    They were muling a turbo (video on that), much to the chagrin of almost everyone here (I think). If they pushed a hybrid platform into it (a tuned down version of the LaFerrari's) it would be a significant change from the traditional powerplant; just thinking about USA EPA regs for that option.
     
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    Also remember that the Maserati QP is using a 515 HP Ferrari Engine, which could be tuned to 550 to place into the new Cali. I would also think they will or should start using a Kers Electric. OTOH, the Cali is the number 1 selling unit in the line up. I highly doubt that this car would be jeaopordized in any manner.
     
  27. Condor Man

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    Will the new Cali remain in a 2+2?
     
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    really really hope so. I've got kids - need to put them somewhere
     
  29. ebobh15

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    My thought is they would want to retain one 2+2 with the seat-like things in mine. Since I have no small children or diminutive adults in the house, they make a good place to toss my hat...OTOH, if they need the room to swing the roof open & shut, they might eliminate it. Re the engine, the new QP engine is turbocharged, which may literally cause some to spontaneously start throwing rocks at it (even with 525-550 hp or more).
     
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    Well...... on the other hand, if they do not make it 2+2 it means my 2013 Cali will be worth a lot more in residuals and I wont be buying new one and save a few quid. :)
     
  31. colonels

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    i don't see any break lines to fold the roof, and i can't imagine how it would fold down with that hatchback window?
     
  32. Royalpar1

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    I would imagine that Ferrari maintains the 2+2 cab. Half or more of all Fcars are Cali . They will not hurt this model in any way
     
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    True, it's tough to see how a retractible roof might work. They've got it wrapped in faux carbon fiber, though, which also allows them to place panels & styrofoam underneath to hide design elements as they might wish.

    As noted, when the shot was published, people thought it was for an F12 Spider, indicating close-ups disclosed some elements of a folding roof. I'm sure if we had the raw roll of shots, we might be able to determine the car's size & see where it matches or differs from the F12.

    With the patent sketches being identified with the next-gen California, whatever this photo is matches that. The timing of the mule's testing also matches the general timeline for a release a year later (e.g., Spring 2014). I've said my ideal car would be a F12 Spider, so maybe Ferrari is building this one for me...
     
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    Does any one have the chocolate leather ?
     
  35. qwertstnbir

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    If the successor will be turbocharged then current generation will be purchased by customers because better engine sound ?
     
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    No question that it will
     
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    I am pretty convinced that this has nothing to do with the new Cali....but that's obviously pure speculation. No breaks for the roof, shape cannot accommodate a full folding roof, etc..
     
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    Whatever the new California is, half the people will love it, half will say it degrades the brand, 30% will say they hate it and privately run down to see what it looks like in person, 15% will call their dealer to inquire about the waitlist, 2% will ask about options, 38% will complain about the engine, 26% will complain it takes the fun out of driving with all its modern technologies, Top Gear will snark at it because it's not British, the Chinese will copy it, and the next generation Corvette will mimic its lines in their next version...
     
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    Word!

    If this would be the 2015 California, then it will be a targa. lol
     
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    Hahaha!!! You made me laugh out loud. In my office. Alone.
     
  41. Condor Man

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    And will it be called a California again?

    I doubt that it will....
     
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    With the history of why it is named the California, and its resonance with the original 1957-62 250GTO California, it would be tough to imagine them abandoning the nameplate just for a model update.

    The 250's were called spiders, but were actually (like their modern counterparts) a cabriolet with a full folding hood (roof). John Von Neumann, Ferraris' West Coast rep, proposed the open variant of the 250 to address the growing popularity of Ferraris in the USA. Chinetti loved it, sold the idea to Enzo, and the car was made.

    Not sure why they chose "California" except that Von Neumann was in California (and referred to the "California sun" as a rationale for a drop-top), the Highway 1 drive is similar to the Cinque Terre or Amalfi Coast, and the Pebble Beach road race (which started in 1950) had become popular in the minds of racing enthusiasts. The name has become synonymous with a Ferrari cabriolet GT, so as long as it remains that, I'm thinking the name will also stay.
     
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    LOL
     
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    Given Ferrari's history, it would be extremely rare that they would run with the same name again.
     
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    Techs are being trained in September for the new Cali. Also what I heard is that it will be a new model name
     
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    When you say Techs are being trained in September, do you mean 2 months ago ? Any idea on the new specs?
     
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    Yeah sorry did not use past tense. A bunch of US techs are in Italy right now.
     
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    As I have said previously:

    the new name will be the Baja California.
    Salsa red exterior
    Taco brown interior
    Spinner hubcaps
    Dice hanging from the mirror.
    Exaggerated front and rear lifts will be the must have option. ;)
     
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    With the F70 being named La Ferrari, maybe this one will be La California...

    Living in SoCal, the distinction between CA and BC gets blurrier all the time, so the Baja name might be redundant lol...
     
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    Or perhaps it may be called.

    La Other Ferrari.....
     

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