Official Countach Value Thread

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  1. Peter K.

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    #1 Peter K., Feb 17, 2012
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    I have started this thread with a little help from my friends.
    A few people have come to me about what I think values of different models are. I just do not have loads of experience as some of you.

    So, I would like everyone to put in their 2 cents and state their thoughts and views.

    I can officially say that I would sell my Series One (first completed S, Production #2) for 1 million dollars. :):):):):):):)

    COUNTACH VALUES:


    LP400

    LP400S S1

    LP400S S2

    LP400S S3

    LP500S

    LP500QV FI

    LP500QV DD

    ANNIVESARIO
     
  2. Peter K.

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    I have had 2 offers for 500k for my S1 for the last 2 years BUT only if I did all the paint and stuff I recently did.
    To me, that was 1-2 years ago and I would add $ to that number as every year passes.
    The longer I keep, the more I would ask.
     
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    I think the idea is good, but I think all of us will just be speculating as to values, since the liquidity is just not there to establish a proper valuation for these cars. These cars just trade too thinly for us average guys to establish a price foundation. I'm not trying to deter anybody from contributing, but I think there are only two people in the country that deal in these cars enough to know, and I would suggest a call to them would be the way to know values at a given time. I would call Roy or Joe, or both, to find out current values.
     
  4. roytoy2003

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    As I agrre, there is not much publication of selling prices, when and if some of these cars trade. I am sure Joe, as well as me, has customers that dont want prices out there as a lot of them or private and want to keep their business private. I also think EACH car, espically the older ones, have to be evaluated on their own...however in the spirit of the thread..I will give what I think an "average" car of this description should be bringing in todays world.

    LP400 $750K plus




    LP400S S1 $475K plus (early car with Guages and Bravo wheels) deduct $50k for later
    S1 cars




    LP400S S2 $275K plus




    LP400S S3 $200K plus




    LP500S $150K plus




    LP500QV FI $100K plus (add $25K for 88 1/2 cars)




    LP500QV DD $200K plus (add $50K for 88 1/2 cars)




    ANNIVESARIO $125K plus (add $10K for 1990 vin car over 89 vin car)
     
  5. Peter K.

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    There are people who do not want to talk to Joe or Roy.
    I know their input is extremely valuable.

    Plus there has been much discussion lately on the boards about this and I was asked to start this thread to help.
     
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    Great thread Peter!

    One of the nice things about a forum is that it allows equal participation from owners, enthusiasts and people in the trade alike. That has to be a good thing because potential buyers and sellers soon get an idea of what market is and can determine genuine value themselves. That has to be good for everyone.

    One of the reasons the Ferrari market is so prolific successful is that it is more defined. Threads like this will help. Give me a while and I will give my thoughts on the variants...
     
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    Victor, I think besides people in the trade, it is good to see this from the perspective of potential buyers & sellers, collectors who are not even thinking of selling, and enthusiasts who are only dreaming of "one day". The more straightforward and exposed the views on numbers are, the healthier the market, and he better it is for all involved, dont you think?
     
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    Yes, you are right. In any case, if I knew a guy that wanted to sell or buy a Countach, I would advise them to call you or Roy to find out, as imo that would be much faster and more accurate than browsing the Internet to get an idea. But, Peter, your point is well taken too; some people just don't want to call and/or would rather do their own work browsing the internet.
     
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    "Stuff"? What was done?
    Paint: which colour did you use?
     
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    LOL I just cracked up..but 110% right, there are people that dont want tot alk to me..cant win them all!
     
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    my european opinion for very nice-original cars

    LP400 300k euro

    LP400S S1 200-220k euro

    LP400S S2 150-160k euro

    LP400S S3 140k euro

    LP500S 140k euro

    LP500QV FI 100k euro

    LP500QV DD 140k euro

    ANNIVESARIO 110k euro

    add 15% for the best perfect cars
     
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    add $50K for Acapulco Blue :D
     
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    How much of a role does color and mileage play in the price of each individual model?
    Or are these cars rare enough to make those factors obsolete?

    For the enthusiasts on this board, any and all Countachs are desired. But I wonder what a
    true collector would be looking for. Someone who is looking for "investment grade" to put next to his vintage Ferrari and Bugatti would probably be asking a whole different set of questions than someone who has to have one in his garage right now.

    Like I said

    Color?

    Mileage?

    How may owners?

    Condition?

    Potential very helpful thread.
     
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    #14 vaholtorf, Feb 17, 2012
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    IMO, for a blue chip investment by a blue chip car collector, I think the LP400 has to be first and foremost, just because it was the original, replaced the iconic Miura, and was far and away the most advanced production road car available at any price when introduced. Now that I am involved with these top collectors through High Mountain Classics (highmountainclassics.com), and we have eight Bugattis in the shop, GP Ferraris, etc., owned by serious collectors, I think I am getting better insight into what these ultra-rich mega collectors may want next. Our customers are not Countach guys (yet?), except for Leno, but if they heard vintage Lambos are the thing to have (beyond the Miura), I think they would want the LP400.
    Now for the guys who grew up in the eighties, I think the flared variants will be the ones, but then, that is more of an emotionally driven decision, not a purely investment decision.
    All Countachs will go up in value, and mostly for emotional reasons, but for the unemotional blue chip investors, I think it will be LP400 much more than the others. Of course, that will continue to drive LP400 prices up, and the other varaiants will follow suit. All the above is just my opinion, so it is worth what you paid for it! I love them for purely emotional reasons, but it is a nice side-benefit when they go up in value.
     
  17. Peter K.

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    I think original color is best and most valuable. Period correct is acceptable. Any other color is risky. Flames and candy are a no no.
     
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    Emilio you have your finger on the pulse, I think. Good summary.
     
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    My summary is based on actual running cars. Anything from a restoration project, all the way to restored cars in original spec and low-mileage nice original (unrepeatable) cars.

    In my experience stories, accidents, fire, provenance & identity issues all collaborate to ensure that it is all about the RANGE. This means the range from the bottom to the top can be vast.

    It is important to have comps and be dispassionate. Its also important to base values on whats been SOLD and not on offers. Offers are just talk, nothing more. When the funds are nestling in your bank account, then you have something. Its also important to realize that potential buyers & sellers will see values differently, but if there is to be a sale then the middle-ground can be considered.

    Where are these numbers coming from? Auctions, dealer sales (verified from both seller & buyer often with different numbers, simply split the difference!), private party sales shares (similarly verified when possible) and my own specialist sales facilitated (no problem with a confidentiality clause, chassis numbers & owners names are not posted but numbers can be verified with a redacted document for a party with proprietary interest if needed).

    There is a little more that goes into a top number achieved for an excellent example than simply asking the biggest amount one dares to ask and hoping to get it. I think once owners understand this they will have reasonable expectations and anyone astute knows reasonable expectations can drive a healthy market whereas unrealistic expectations can quickly freeze a market. There is the case recently of an owner asking pie-in-the-sky numbers for a Countach QV. A number of qualified buyers were so turned off by this that to them this particular car is now undesirable at any price in the future. Food for thought. As Enzo Ferrari used to say: "Shoot, but aim correctly!" (literally translated).

    Without further ado, here are my numbers, subject to amendment as time & sales go on.


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    LP400 - $300,000 to $500,000

    LP400S S1 - $250,000 to $450,000

    LP400S S2 - $150,000 to $225,000

    LP400S S3 - $100,000 to $150,000

    LP500S - $100,000 to $150,000

    LP500QV FI - $75,000 to $125,000

    LP500QV DD - $125,000 to $175,000

    ANNIVESARIO - $100,000 to $175,000
     
  20. roytoy2003

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    I am always caught in a rock and a hard spot. I have always had fun exotic cars, all types, as well as the Iconic American Muscle cars. From day one, I never ever have considered a purchase based on it's "possible" down the road value..I bought becuae I liked it, the price was acceptable to me and I wanted to drive the car.

    As many know, my very first Lamborghini was my 2001 Diablo 6.0SE #19. I bought it brand new out of South Jordan, UT in Sept 2002, (after a shafting from FNA on a Lemon 360..was my 12th Ferrari at the time). I will never forget the salesman dis-believe that I was going to drive the car hom from the Dealership in Fall weather over 1800 miles home to Seattle..still till this day, one of the best roadtrips I ever had. It is approaching 50K miles on it and it still looks great and run's even better!

    Then as things fell into place, my love for Lambo's grew, I started buying others, collecting them, driving them..and then getting into the car BIZ..what started as a hobby and enjoyment turned into a business. A good BIZ as it lets me play with a lot of cars and provides a nice steady income to buy the toys I want. I started the "collect" them route, having picked up a few Miura's, but they did nothing for me driving them, so I sold them. (still today have no desire for a Miura, just does not trip my trigger).

    So then came a time when my LP400 Periscopa car was completed from it's almost 5 year restoration. The work covered every not and bolt on the car and turned out truly as a 10 point Pebble beach condentender. I got it delivered home late last summer, drove about 100 miles on it the first weeked, then stuffed it into the showroom in the corner, put a rope around it, a sign up in front of it, what it was etc etc..

    I have looked at that car every day for the past 6-7 months, WOW it's stunning, a work of art, love talking about it when people come into the showroom..etc etc..have had serious 6 figure offer's for it, saying NO I want to keep it. It can't be replaced, at least not fast enough for me to enjoy it in my declining years of driving ability. Now this week it hit me!

    "WHAT THE HECK AM I DOING"...I waited 5 years to get it done, love it, was a great 100 miles I drove on it. But now it just sits there, me looking at it, it looking at me..just rotting away with no enjoyment for me or the car that it was built for. So it was a nice sunny day here in Seattle on Wednesday. I said screw it, I am taking it out for a drive. Had my lot boy's move 8 cars out of the way so I could get it outside.

    This is were my OWN always POUNDING into everyone I talk to, DRIVE them dont let them sit, not good for the car..well sure enough, the 400 got back at me for letting it sit for 7 months. It took a bit to get it started..but after a few try's it fired up and off I went for a nice lunch drive. When I got back my son said to me.."Do you want it back in the corner?"
    It then came over me, what the heck for, it was built to drive, I paid good hard earned money for it, I want to enjoy it!

    We drove it right over to NWAS next door and ordered a full one piece Venture shield film protection over the entire front car and all the leading edges, as well as wheel arches etc etc..sure WHO ever heard of a 1975 Iconic collector car with perfect finish being wrapped in film..NUTS..suppose to be like the "Holly Bible" not changed from it's birth, leave as is..

    What does all this mean..it means even after all these years, even after opening the showroom in July last year, even after selling and selling more and more cars these last 7 months..I came to my senses, I bought them to enjoy them and drive them, I DID NOT buy them to look at them and hope and pray they go up in Value and sit each day counting my "Chickens-investment" with a worry what it looses with another mile added to the ODO or a rain drop on the window, or a little road ware on the car..etc etc. I came into this world naked and broke, I can leave that way as well, they are a toy for me to enjoy...and if they are still around when I go bye bye (hopefully up-stairs and not down LOL) my kids can do what ever they please with them...hopefully it is drive them and enjoy them as I have. I for one just will not buy into the "collect them" my garage is bigger and better the yours stuff.

    And just in case you are wondering why all the Venture Shield is being put on the car....becuase it is getting shipped down to LA, where I intend to drive it, along with my kid's driving my 96 Diablo SV-R Flag car from there to Monterey this year in the Italian Stampede. And when Concourso is done in August, the kid's fly home, the SV-R ships home and I will take a nice 3 days of unwind and back roads back to Seattle in my LP400 Periscopa...AND that my friends YOU CAN NOT PUT A PRICE ON.
     
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    I agree!


     
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    I may need to ask to have the title of the thread changed because it sounds like official value when it should say "official value discussion thread"
     
  23. roytoy2003

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    Some very good points Joe..espicaly the "Asking the moon" one..it is very hard, as a seller of these cars to speak to a possible "seller" of his car..a lot of times they get emotionly attached..and more often the not, almost every seller thinks their car is the best one out there and worth the most on the market. I have, as I am sure others have, declined to attempt to borker or sale a car on consigment just for the simple fact that the price the seller wants is just not going to work.

    BUT, there is also the other side of the coin as well. There are car's out there, that are rare and non replaceable. They are hard to put a number on, not many have traded hands and it is what the owner may want to even consider parting with it. Case in point, some of my very own cars..priced high, probably, BUT it is what it is worth to ME the seller to let the car go. There is no reason to sell it, no fire sale, no pending foreclosure on the house etc etc..so IF it gets what I want, it can go, other wise I enjoy it..and such as the case with some of my clients that ask me to sell/broker/consign their car. You have to respect their wishes.

    The case, as Joe points out on the OUT of this world QV of recent..I agree, the seller was NOT attached to the cars, it was PURELY a make a BIG QUICK profit, (so it was thought) on the sale of those cars. I dont know what the status of them now is..but I also had quite a few "intrested" people that did not want to chase these cars...and IMO are now tainted as well...after all how do you justify a $75K drop in price to move them now. The old saying of "the first offer is probably the best offer" is SO TRUE with many of these cars.

    Another recent example is of a DD car that started out at $250K..as of early this week it is down to $160K..BUT it has left such a bad taste in many an intrested party, that you cant get "the horse to drink the water" after you scarred them away from the bucket. It is also a car that HAS to be sold by the owner, not a car that does NOT need to be sold..so does it make the mark for future DD cars..?? I am sure it will be reffered to as others come on to the market and buyers use it's price as a bench mark. But it is a good example of the difference between a car that HAS to be sold and a car that IS FOR sale.

    I do see where my estimates are a bit higher then Joe for the most part, and mine are based on past sales, current "asking" prices, but most important for me in my posting is the current potential buyers that have "authorized" a seek it out "for me" and this is what I am willing to go to price. Of course it is for a 10 point "perfect" car at the top end of the availabilty.

    The only one that throws ME for a loop, Joe, is your high $175K for a Anneversary car?? I jsut cant see that at all..maybe it is because they dont trip my trigger as well..maybe it's becuase they are quite a few good choices out there right now at under 125K..I dont know the answer, but I just do not see any of these cars (with the exception of the One of One Silver car), being even close to a 175K mark.
     
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    The 89 sounds off to me as well. The exception could be a dd with sport seats though.
     
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    Possible, but I am assuming (that could be the bad part) that we are talking USA imported cars..I know of NO 89 DD brought to the USA...through the standard route at least..
     
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    #24 joe sackey, Feb 17, 2012
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    Ill stick with that range and here is my rationale:

    With commissions, I have already sold one USA Annivesario (12670 below) at that number.

    Excellent very low mileage examples in the right color will be between 100 and 175 in the future because the fact remains that the Annivesario is the last-of-a-series Countach that happens to be the best built, the most reliable, the best handling Countach that enthusiasts can actually use. I think in the future will be more demand for these and I am seeing clients of mine who have other Countachs buy one of these just to DRIVE. I'm comfortable with that range. That's a beauty of a forum, we can all share our opinions and recorded numbers.
    Countach-Annivesario-12670-006.jpg
     
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    Will, At least I got it right on the Silver car. I think that car
    is stunning! However, IMO, the exception...not the rule.
     
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    I am guilty of comparing what is happening in the Ferrari market with the Lamborghini market, but with good reason. The reason is, so much more business actually occurs with much less grief (!!) in the Ferrari market simply because the market is more defined and buyers & sellers have reasonable expectations. We all want the most when we sell, and we all want to pay the least when we buy, but we are in danger of creating a Lamborghini market that people avoid altogether because collectors cant make any sense of it. In my case, 90% of my Lamborghini buyers are principally Ferrari & Porsche collectors who just want 1 or 2 choice Lamborghinis. Generally they are very astute people who can tell when the numbers just don't make any sense.

    Case in point: the gentleman who was going to buy the aforementioned QV (worth 140k IMO with those miles), got so thoroughly pissed off with the shenanigans of the seller that he bought a Ferrari Daytona (#16571) instead via myself on Monday, spending more than double ($390k actually), bought & paid in cash, done deal. Who is the loser here? The Lamborghini market..... I rest my case. We have to get organized and we have to get real. Meanwhile Ferrari Supercars (GTO/F40/F50/Enzo) continue to sell like hotcakes in a very defined market
     
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    Yes, that is why there is a RANGE: $100,000 to $175,000.

    The good, the bad & the ugly will fit nicely in there.
     
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    Oh I don't think its that important. Just a place to come and throw out some numbers for comparison.

    The thing for everyone to remember about a thread like this is that the numbers will be different for each individual's experiences or point of view. Buyers & sellers can strike a happy medium and draw their own conclusions as applicable to their own circumstances.
     
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    LP400 - $300,000 to $500,000 Agreed

    LP400S S1 - $250,000 to $450,000 Agreed

    LP400S S2 - $150,000 to $225,000... I think: $150,000 to $300,000 (I offered $285K for Jeff's red S2 in Florida, he passed)

    LP400S S3 - $100,000 to $150,000 Agreed

    LP500S - $100,000 to $150,000 Agreed

    LP500QV FI - $75,000 to $125,000 Agreed

    LP500QV DD - $125,000 to $175,000... I think: $150,000 - $225,000

    ANNIVESARIO - $100,000 to $175,000...I think: $95,000-$135,000 (mint no-miles cars available for $125K all day long)



     
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    Really? A perfect S2 less than a needy S1?
     
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    I guess the masses are speaking..I agree with Geno, I think Joe's price on a DD is under value..the last two DD cars I helped in were both over 200K..and the last S2 I did was 210K...of course in full disclosure I have 2 DD cars inbound as well as a S1 and a S2 car..and IT is way different when the Dealer OWNS the cars instead of just facilitating a "Broker" deal to make a set "commission" on the sale.
     
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    Victor I sent a pm to you some days ago, probably you didn't see it. Please have a look at your pm box and send me an answer.
     
  35. joe sackey

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    As Gene suggests, perhaps a perfect S2 should bring more. BUT, I'm yet to see it actually happen. Talk, interest, and offers turned down are one thing. A sale completed is another.
     
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    #34 Albert-LP, Feb 18, 2012
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    yes, i completely agree and those are selling prices, not asking prices.


    here below the Italian asked prices (i personally saw all these cars) EURO money:

    400: i did not even see one as i cannot pay the 350 k they ask

    400 S1: they are are unfindable here, i could not find any

    400 S2: 180 k for an USA spec car with changed outside color, true very low miles but a lot of oil leaks (add 30-40 K euro to fix engine and restore the color, car HAS to be in the factory color in my opinion)

    400S3: 160 K for a very good american spec true low miles car
    185 K for a fully restored car with some restoring errors
    130 K for a car that needs 30-40 K of work

    5000S: 165 k for a very good car 100% OEM true low miles

    QVDD: 206 K for an outstanding red car, true 100% oem and very low miles, perfect

    25th: 120-130 k, many cars, some very good.


    Number of owners: who cares, look and inspect the car, it's more important how the car has been restored or mantained.

    I think prices will go up a for long time again: Countach is the most outrageous car ever built and Lamborghini every year improve its brand due to big money VAG owner put in it, producing fantastic cars like the LP700 so the value of Countach will raise like Lamborghini brand will do: i think Countach prices and Lamborghini brand appeal are linked each other.
    Lamborghini brand appeal is going up, the same will do Countach prices.

    Do not be stupid like me (i just want a 101% perfect and original car so i spent an impressive amount of money to make it shine in every piece), save money with the restore and you will earn a lot of money with Countach.


    ciao
     
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    Thanks Geno, very helpful. I think the Annivesarios you've seen are within the range. The QV DD is the 2nd most prolifically produced Countach after the Annivesario and disparity between what owners think they are worth and what buyers think they are worth is just too wide. But its important to note what owners think they are worth. Your stated range is not far off.
     
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    Respectfully: it makes no difference to the perceived value of a car if it is being sold privately by an owner, being sold by a dealer such as yourself, being sold by a broker/facilitator such as myself, or being sold at auction. The car is what it is, the method of disposition doesn't change its value. Fair value range is the same. Purchase circumstances & costs are different, and the method of acquisition by the buyer is his/her choice to pursue or not. 9 times out of 10 for cars as rare as the Countach, the disposition of an available car that is desired is purely luck of the draw if the buyer wants a particular car. Why owners sell privately, use dealers like you, use specialists like me, or send them to auction is a topic for another venue.

    As for QV DD values, so, we dont concur. But, that's the point of a thread like this. It allows intelligent discussion so interested parties can draw their own conclusion. Just because I sell car A at price B doesn't mean the general public's perceived view of said car's value corresponds with the price I achieved. By and large buyers will pay what they are comfortable paying and in this market they do their due-diligence better than ever before.
     
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    OK, maybe it's just me Joe..but now I am really confused..probably due to me not graduating High School and no UK education as you.........

    So early you say DD car 125-175...but now you agree with Geno and say he is "close" at
    150-225..last I looked...175-225K is 50K apart...and since we KNOW for a fact that the last two (2) DD cars, both GREAT cars traded for beyond the 200K mark..I can only assume the 200K plus mark is correct..

    OR do you have more 89 Anniversary cars to sell/unload then DD cars in your current "broker" self serving inventory..?? After all, every one thinks your 125-175k is WAY OFF the mark considering what is currenlty advertised "asking" prices for a LOW mile PERFECT 89 car in the 125K range..??????????
     
  40. joe sackey

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    Again, the point of this thread is not to make others agree with your view, but simply state where you think the numbers are, so "correct" will be different for different people and a comfort level can be established individually. I have no Annivesarios in inventory although I know of a good one that can be bought circa $130k.

    Best,
     
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    ALL understood..however one thing you fail to understand, which is just plain sense..a "broker" or "expert" as you want to relate to your self has one and only one intrest in the sale of a car...his "piece of pie". He has no STAKE in the final out come of the sale, there is no "risk" to make it right, there is no "risk" of his OWN money, push comes to shove, the only "risk" is the commission to "arrange" the transaction. A "broker" still can easily walk away and leave the un-resolved issues up to the buyer and the seller, where a vested intrest party as a "Dealer", like me, has to make sure the transaction is good on all 4 corners...if not, it comes completely on "the Dealers" shoulder..no walking away from it as a "middle man" broker.

    Dont get me wrong, there is a place for "brokers", but the risk and investment for a broker is with out question a far less investment then the commitment of a "Dealer" owned car in question. This may be why the old saying of "you get what you pay for" is so true to hear.
    Till the "cows come home" a VESTED intrest of a seller to a buyer is far greater when their
    "cookies" are on the chopping block..in Legal stance as well as invested intrest, no question about it.
     
  42. roytoy2003

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    And, again I "respectfully" dis-agree with you..as I have available TWO 89 cars, both in excellent conditon, both WELL under 2000 miles, available today for the price of UNDER $125K..so unless it is the one of one Silver car for $130K..IMO a buyer is "over-paying" at that price for a 89 or 90 Anniversary car.

    Maybe, as you state, the value's will increase. I am sure they will, but TODAY, there is no 89-90 car worth over 130K, nor the 175K top range as you suggest. IMO and my experiance in the last 4 months.
     
  43. joe sackey

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    In California any licensed dealer is held to the same accountable standard whether they are wholesaling, dealing or brokering. Of course ownership of the car (we do this as well on occasion) means increased risk, but, again, that has no bearing on the car's value - which is what this thread is about. The thread is for a discussion on what these cars are worth, as seen from the viewpoint of owners, enthusiasts, and people in the trade. All participants that result in supporting a market have a legitimate viewpoint, and its bound to be different depending on who is looking at it.
     
  44. joe sackey

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    My bottom estimate is $100k for an Annivesario. That easily accommodates the $125k cars you are suggesting, so I actually think we are on the same page. On this thread I think all viewpoints have legitimacy but dont need to necessarily agree.

    My top estimate was because of the silver car, and is purely the top of a RANGE.
     
  45. roytoy2003

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    Well then, I agree and owe you an "apology". I was not aware that you or "we" (would like to know who WE is) is a duly licensed, insured, acredited or fully bonded licensed "Dealer" in the State of California, or any other State for the matter.

    I think it would do you, and all that deal with you, a great service to post your State Dealers License as well as your bond...after all that is a "Plus" to any and all buyers for their piece of mind...you should be proud to have it and make sure all know of it..as with California and all other states, it is not a "cake walk" to obtain such valued accreditation!

    Congrats in advance to having such a License..it speaks to your commitment to the buying public and thier security in knowing they are Dealing with a bona fide State/Goverment approved provider with protection unde the Federal Consumer Protection Acts.
     
  46. joe sackey

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    No apology needed! I have both wholesale dealer & autobroker licenses, fully bonded. It has been posted on the front page of my website for the past four (4) years at least. FWIW, I too own quite a few of the cars I sell. To me, "we" only means my partner & wife. I don't answer to anyone else :) Lastly, if this thread has helps the market to become even a fraction as defined as the Ferrari market I operate in is, we all have good things ahead.
     
  47. topcarbon

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    well, Im finding this info helpful.

    thanks guys.

    now I only need to find the right car.
     
  48. EMILIO

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    the market in Europe for these cars is quite different than that for the older variants

    for most european buyers the 25th design is too "busy" while the LP400 is a design masterpiece
    all the cars in the middle (with the exception of FI cars....european buyer does not like the FI ones as they are not "our" countach ) are good looking cars, very agressive with appeal but the anniversarios are a bit... "over the top".
    the "luxurious" interior is not percieved as a good thing also, because it is not in line with the spirit of the countach

    add that you can find good annis for sale in most european countries, while it is hard to find any older one in great shap for sale and i do not see them worth over 115k euro for a VERY nice low miles one

    they are not much ...in demand now

    they were THE countach to have years ago thoug
     
  49. LC3929

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    .. and please add $100k for Blu Pietro Speciale
     
  50. RPMMarcus

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    Hello, i am new on this forum, wow 500k, 1.000.000, I don't understand it, seems to be a very special car, also don't understand the extra money of the colour, is this a special ordered car by a prince or some prototipo? Do you have pictures?

    Thanks Marcus
     
  51. Mr Mezzanotte

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    so why is nobody converting Anniversary's back to 1987 QV looks ?
    or even early QV/S looks ?
    or go one step further to LP400 looks ?

    or hasn't that occurred to anyone yet ?

    if the early cars (LP400) were upgraded to S looks, why not go vice versa ?

    or is originality now king ?
     
  52. Peter K.

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    Please, exactly like Joe said....not to make others agree. It's about thought, views, experience, discussion, and asking each other questions.
     

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