probably you and Ed, I'm sure there are others on here I don't know. FChat was on the take for awhile too, when he was trying to get his exotic car driving experience company going.
Assuming he's convicted, what are the odds ST ends up plastered all over CNBC's American Greed programme? At this rate, they can do an entire week of racers who've crossed the line! Remember Greg Loles? FBI ? Investment Advisor, Race Team Owner Charged with Operating $10 Million Fraud Scheme Or, the Whittingtons? Whittington Brothers Receive Prison Terms - Los Angeles Times There's some good material here. CW
I never defended anyone other than myself...mostly from you I was only correcting statements that I knew were false, and of course was indicted on completely unrelated issues for such behavior....mostly by you I'm out of therapy, and have recovered. I am told I am suppose to forgive you for such blatantly false allegations towards me, and for breaking your own forum rules by outing me and calling me by name and affiliation, potentially damaging my livelihood.... I guess I officially forgive you (shrug) Just for the record, I have never been paid by ST for anything.
please list out everything I said was false? now you are making false accusations about me and I take that very seriously. you have 24 hours. you work for Boardwalk, Scott is a big customer of Boardwalk, I think that's what Chas is talking about. how is Jessica doing?
you are correct-I was referring to Ed and usstt, both of whom have materially benefitted from ST's spending in racing.
I think your users are smarter than you give them credit for, Rob. Have you and I ever met? How many times? How many conversations would you say you've had with me? Your words, listed above..state that I am making false accusations about you. One of my "accusations" is that you are attacking me personally, attempting to bully me, and threaten me, thus violating and breaking your own forum rules: 1.1 No "Flaming": Please do not post any messages that harass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another user. 1.2 No "Trolling": Please do not post any topic that disrupts the peace and harmony of this community. Don't create meaningless threads with the sole purpose of starting a dispute. This includes messages in profiles and signatures. 1.4 No "Offensive" Posts, Links or Images: Please do not post any messages that are obscene, gorish, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, racist, sexist, discriminatory, or otherwise in violation of any applicable laws. This includes links in your signature, profile, bookmarks as well as posted images, photos and avatars. No circumventing the censor system. Moderators will ultimately decide if something is appropriate or not. 1.5 No "Personal" Information: Please do not post the personal name, address, phone, email, private communications, or other information without the individuals permission.
when you can stop deflecting the direct questions and talking in generalizations (classic troll behavior) then we can talk about you returning to FerrariChat. here were your words... I simply asked you to tell me what these false allegations are and you have nothing. attacking me for attacking you on this is a straw man and weak. you can't back up your claims and that's the important part, no rules broken outing the root problem.
Frankly, I wonder if all the judgmental comments about how Scott Tucker makes his living are being made more because some of you don't like the guy and probably wouldn't like him if he was a priest. For example, this is just in from MSN: I don't know the guy, and I doubt he needs my help in defending him. Apparently, he made a mistake and went to prison. He wouldn't be the first. But, from what I can tell, he wasn't born with a silver spoon like some. So if he made his money in a legal business, more power to him. Besides sports car racing in American is dying. If it wasn't for Mazda, amateur racing would be, what, half its current size? And if Scott Tucker wants to pour outrageous sums of money down a rat hole called professional sports car racing, we should be thanking him instead of bashing him. Bottom line is he straps it on just like the rest of us. But at least he is out there putting it on the line. Dale
Some don't like him because he has a shady past and is accused of a shady present. Others don't like him because he is seen as having bought his championships and other accomplishments. The legality of his business appears to be in question and certain of their business practices are cleary illegal. I don't see the logic here at all. We're supposed to look the other way when it comes to the source of the funds because sports car racing needs the money? No thanks I was raised better than that. I'd prefer my favorite sport went away if the only option is being financed by questionable means. I suppose we should thank the drug cartels too if they decide that racing is their new favorite toy instead of soccer teams? Don't care. Bottom line? So what? Putting it on the line? Again, so what? Doesn't mean a thing to me if his funds were obtained illegally and his sportsmanship is open to question.
Has this been confirmed in a court? I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but you seem to be so sure that this is correct. Dale
Scott Tucker and his companies agreed in Federal court to stop "deceptive and illegal practices". Good enough for me. Payday lenders agree to stop 'deceptive and illegal' practices | The Center for Public Integrity
Sorry, I guess my reading skills have deteriorated because this article doesn't make any sense. At one point it says, "The case awaits trial. But the FTC argued that AMG Services was continuing to mislead thousands of new borrowers. Tucker and the representatives from the Indian tribes last month agreed to change the practices that the FTC said were illegal." But then it goes on to say, "With the agreement filed in a federal court in Nevada, the lenders will no longer require access to a borrowers bank account and the loans will be paid off in one payment. The lenders also agreed not to tell borrowers that they could go to jail or be sued if they didnt pay the loan back." Has the case been settled, or is it awaiting trial, or is it possible that there are two separate federal cases? Again, not trying to be argumentative, but Scott Tucker is not the only or the first person to use Indian tribes as a straw man. For example, there have been hundreds of millions of muni bonds sold through Indian tribes. (BTW, I though we weren't supposed to say that word anymore. ) But, again, so what? Did you read the article I posted where the banks are charging usurious overdraft fees? Moreover, why do you suppose the banks aren't in the payday loan business (they actually are, but I digress). Could it be that the level of risk exceeds the return? Look, life isn't fair. All throughout history, the swift have fleeced the dull. But, this is supposed to be about racing, isn't it? If Scott Tucker has committed crimes, he should be held accountable by our legal system. But why don't we keep this to racing? If you think Tucker is a dirty rat bastard who cheats on the track, then pile it on. Otherwise, let's go racing! Dale
Hey, you're the one who stumbled into a thread entitled "Put a fork in Level 5" where the subject all along has been how Tucker's business dealings might spell the end of his racing now you want to keep this to racing? I'm confused. The main focus of any discussion of Level 5, long before any allegations against Tucker and his companies, was where did the money come from and how was it they always had the best of everything. Strolling through the paddock at the start of Tucker's career any but the most casual observer knew that things didn't add up. The man had the best of everything at Ferrari Challenge events and billing himself as the CEO of a private equity firm didn't ring true when nobody had ever heard of the firm. It's awesome that he's developed his talent to the level that he has, it's wonderful to see a team with the best of everything and employing top drivers and personnel but then it gets soured a little bit by the self-promotion and soured a bit more by the driving through loopholes to "win"championships and then to find out that it's all been paid for on the backs of people struggling to get by and it just leaves a very bad taste in your mouth. Tucker could be a wonderful husband and a great boss - in fact I've met him, spoken briefly one-on-one, and he seems like a nice guy - but for me all the shine is taken away by his business dealings. As far as the case against him you'd have to do some searching - so many motions have been filed and so many different parties are involved there is just way too much to cover here. I'm not sure that I agree with the government naming Level 5 as a defendant but I guess they know what they are doing.
"Has the case been settled, or is it awaiting trial, or is it possible that there are two separate federal cases?" The defendants, without admitting guilt, agreed to a preliminary injunction against certain practices: Document 296 :: Federal Trade Commission v. AMG Services, Inc. et al :: 2:2012cv00536 :: Nevada District Court :: US Federal District Courts Cases :: Justia
I think what I remember most is an interview after he won an SCCA national title a few years back. The interviewer right after the race said something to the effect of, "How does it feel to win a national championship against amateurs VS. when you race "professionally"?" Boy was that a jab in the gut!
Uncle! I agree that this guy should be executed Comanche style where someone whips his back bloody. He should then be stretched out over a fire-ant bed facing the sky. Finally, his eyelids should be cut off so he has to watch the buzzards circle down to eat him. Dale
I wonder if he was asked the same question when he won the SCCA nationals at Road America in DSR this past year in the WEST chassis. That would be the same company he purchased and did additional development to; both in the wind tunnel and on the track- let alone the motor setup in that car. A work of art indeed, but come on... He trounced the Stohrs and other makes every session. That move I see as a pro-level racer with his resume of wins and the hardware he showed with to race in at an 'amateur' event was pretty classless.
Heck, he bought West, the COMPANY, from Eric. Then, he hired Brian Willis and spent close to a million dollars to develop the car for this express goal and effort, then he brought in Jeff Braun and his son Colin. Sounds like a modern-day Briggs Cunningham!
Classless? With a stroke of the keyboard you diminish every SCCA driver to the status of "ALSO-RAN" against anyone with more money? I think most SCCA drivers you speak with would say that they are capable of running against most pro's out there given equal equipment. There have been big budgets in club racing and pro racing since they invented the breed, its a struggle that we all have to face when entering motorsports. Its also been proven that while money is an important lubricant, it is not the ONLY ingredient needed to win races and championships. Personally I have beaten much better funded efforts many times during the course of my racing career...its not always easy, but it IS possible. Its also very satisfying to do when you get it done. Wealthy guys are part of the fuel that racing runs on. They provide opportunities for those who support them and they often set a compelling bars to reach and targets to beat. The rules are the rules, and you should race where you can afford to win. There are plenty of places where its reasonably affordable to participate in racing..but there is NOWHERE that it is cheap to win. That DSR project was my program, my idea and my pitch to Scott Tucker. The goal was not to kick everyone's ass, it was to beat the 56 year old two minute barrier for SCCA at Road America. Tucker got to steer the car because yes, he paid the bills and it was a huge undertaking. We got it done where no one in 56 years had done it before. The team of individuals who made that possible were the finest I have ever worked with. It is also the thing I am most proud of. And yes Level 5 bought WEST race cars near the end of that project , not before. If somehow you find this "classless" then next year we can show up with a Level 5 pick up truck and an open trailer to run in Spec Racer Ford if that is more tasteful to you.
Since we've branched off to talking about Scott's million-dollar DSR here is Colin Braun smashing the 2:00 barrier at Road America: WEST WX10-CR at Road America - SMASHING the 2-minute barrier on Vimeo
Its a hoot to drive..notice that that is flat at 161MPH through the kink...... Colin is a great driver, I did the initial DSR test driving, but we needed a skinny, quick, twerp like Colin to do the full speed potential tests...I chose him because his Dad was engineering and the two of them have the kind of communication only a father and son who have raced for 20 years together can have.
