I think the question that Zack is asking is, "When do cars become art?" I think that this really got started when Guggenheim opened their Art and Motorcycle exhibit. All of a sudden, it became fashisonable even for your upper east side, lifting pinky finger, art maven to gush over a vehicle. Take Lawrence Stroll's P4, for example. I don't mean any offense here, but clearly this car never looked this pretty back when it was a race car. But, boy does it look pretty! All those shiny primary colors blending into a piece of machinery. I can clearly see this car as an art exhibit. In fact, I'd probably sit there and stare at it for hours. While I realize the Mr. Stroll still tracks this car on occassion, I wouldn't blame him if he didn't. Other than taking a few exhibit parade laps so that we, the great unwashed, could get a chance to see, hear, and smell the car (yes, I said smell), what good would come out of running this car anywhere near 8/10s? On the other hand, I keep hearing Jonie Mitchell's line about, "They cut all the trees down and put them in a tree museum." Dale BTW Zack, "When do cars become art?" would make an excellent article. Hint, hint.