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  1. rmarchjr

    rmarchjr Formula Junior

    May 21, 2012
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    #1 rmarchjr, Aug 19, 2015
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    I love these cars, and working on them is nearly as good as driving. 4years ago I drove a Scud and almost bought it, but didn't. Got a red/tan manual 430 instead. Love the gated shifter and heal toe is wonderful fun but.......I never forgot that ride. Today that same car would be +50k over the deal I had. Dumber then dirt, I am cursed to not be able to make a dollar on any car ever. What's that next logical move, of course....

    I purchased a crashed 2008 Scuderia from an insurance auction through a dealer friend. Its got 3431 miles, carbon fiber everything, this car was a garage queen until they day of the accident. A friend joined me for the 1600 mile drive to Austin to pick her up. we drove 25 hours, slept for 4, then drove 25 back.

    The damage looked intimidating but the car was full of potential. I had a good feeling about it even though the rear left and front right had broken suspension components, all wheels were shot, nearly every body panel was damaged from scratched to dented, the only plus was that the interior looked brand new-if you moved the airbags out of the way to look.

    My biggest worry was the engine/trans condition and suspension mount points/castings. Here are the pictures I took the 1st time I saw the car.
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  2. Wisky

    Wisky Formula Junior

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    #2 Wisky, Aug 19, 2015
    I am looking forward to reading this thread and watch the repair progress.
     
  3. Skull 1

    Skull 1 Karting

    Oct 14, 2014
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    #3 Skull 1, Aug 19, 2015
    My suggestion is buy it and part them out. You can sell the parts and make $.i know a freind that bought a 458 that was crashed. He end up spending same amount of money in buying use. Plus it will be salvage title.
     
  4. ///Art

    ///Art Karting
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    #4 ///Art, Aug 19, 2015
    Just wondering what you paid for it? If you'd Like to disclose that it… I have my dealers license as well.
     
  5. Living4life

    Living4life Formula Junior

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    #5 Living4life, Aug 19, 2015
    That scuderia is a lot of work but it is certainly possible to fix. Few people actually take the right steps and time to fix them right so please do and if you document it well on here, it will certainly be worth it!

    My buddy and I have done this to a stradale and I can tell you the car needs to be stripped to fix it right. We have seen rebuilt ferraris and the biggest mistake people make is cutting corners with bodywork instead of doing it the EXACT way OEM would fix it.

    Good luck and keep us updated!
     
  6. MaseratiCorse

    MaseratiCorse Formula Junior

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    #6 MaseratiCorse, Aug 20, 2015
    Definitely has potential as you say... Maybe a project like the Gas Monkey F40!
     
  7. MARMIST

    MARMIST Formula 3

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    #7 MARMIST, Aug 20, 2015
    what kind of accident was that to damage the car that way ?
     
  8. NürScud

    NürScud F1 Veteran

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    #8 NürScud, Aug 20, 2015
    Maybe it went of road in high speed. I'm looking forward to see the progress.
     
  9. MD355

    MD355 Formula Junior

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    #9 MD355, Aug 20, 2015
    If you own a repair shop or you are friends with a bodywork shop that can give you very good price on repair, maybe it's worth it...
    Eurospares will give you good prices on parts (not sure how it works on import taxes as it is located in EU)...
    Damage doesn't seem that bad... It looks just cosmetic... Bodywork about $20,000
    Mechanical about $20,000
    PLUS labor
    Do the math...
     
  10. Gated

    Gated Formula 3

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    #10 Gated, Aug 20, 2015
    I don't know anything about anything but I do know that it'll cost a lot more than $40,000 to fix THAT!

    Front and rear suspension smashed, all wheels ruined, all panels mangled. I'd be surprised if that wasn't $100,000 to fix.
     
  11. scudF1

    scudF1 F1 Rookie
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    #11 scudF1, Aug 20, 2015
    +1 if the damage was only 40k the insurance wouldn't salvage the car and instead they would pay that money to the owner to have it fixed. My 2 cents.
     
  12. ShineKen

    ShineKen F1 World Champ
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    #12 ShineKen, Aug 20, 2015
    I'd save yourself from this Scuderia
     
  13. MaranelloDave

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    #13 MaranelloDave, Aug 20, 2015
    As much as I love the idea of this, I have to agree that this will almost certainly not be worth the time and expense, unless the idea is to just remove all the body panels, remove and sell the interior, and use it as a track-only mule.
     
  14. SCEye

    SCEye F1 Rookie

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    #14 SCEye, Aug 20, 2015
    +2.
    makes me sad to see such a beautiful car destroyed
     
  15. Kevin Rev'n

    Kevin Rev'n Two Time F1 World Champ
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    #15 Kevin Rev'n, Aug 20, 2015
    Heck of an adventure! You have more moxie than I do but still I have respect for the attempt. Sounds like you are in it for the love so resale is not on your mind and that is a good thing.
     
  16. MaranelloDave

    MaranelloDave Formula 3

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    #16 MaranelloDave, Aug 20, 2015
    ...and if you hold onto the car long enough, the salvage title may no longer matter. Don't think many would be that put off today by a vintage Ferrari that was once wrecked (and repaired) many decades ago.
     
  17. MD355

    MD355 Formula Junior

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    #17 MD355, Aug 20, 2015
    Your best bet is to ship it to Italy where they will fix it for 1/2 or even 1/3 the cost in the US, at 1/5 the time and much better repair quality !!!
     
  18. rmarchjr

    rmarchjr Formula Junior

    May 21, 2012
    586
    North east, USA
    #18 rmarchjr, Aug 20, 2015
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    Goal: I'm driving this 3400 mile near perfect Scud for less then $130k total (excluding fluids & tires) with the painted silver stripe and better then factory paint.
    Test: run 10 track days and drive daily for 10 consecutive days.
    Time: test in September, complete before spring.

    The repair estimate I received with the car was $144k. I'm going to do most of the work myself and have the support of an incredible crew of friends, mechanics(including the best Fcar superman), suppliers, and a machine shop. Lets start w a full inspection of engine/trans. Will she start, run, and shift into gear.

    Charged the battery on an AGM charger, oil looks crappy, passenger side radiator had a hole the size of a quarter, and it appears that the auction company attempted to refill the coolant and start the car because the coolant is the wrong type, 100% green concentrate.

    I drained the coolant system and pulled the right side radiator & what was left of the fan assembly. Bought a few odds & ends from auto parts store & home repair place. I took a generic flexible hose and connected the missing radiator input & output. One radiator and fan will be fine for a quick test start. (forgot to take pic)

    *Tip- coolant change - spend $120 and get a vacuum coolant purge kit- I used the airlift 550000 - it also checks for leaks and insures you get all the air out of the system. it took a few flushes to get the green crap out of the system. Requires a decent air supply.

    Ok got oil, got Zerex G05, got juice 12.3V, fuel smells ok but since the car hasn't run in 3-4 months- I did not push the roll over fuel cut reset button. Cranked her over and in about 4 seconds I saw oil pressure. No start.
    Reset the button and...

    http://youtu.be/MVpFih5ykH8
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  19. MARMIST

    MARMIST Formula 3

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    #19 MARMIST, Aug 21, 2015
    After the 612 rebuild, now the Scud. Go man, post every detail !
     
  20. saf-kiwi

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    #20 saf-kiwi, Aug 21, 2015
    Great stuff, I'm looking forward to this build!!
     
  21. singletrack

    singletrack F1 Veteran

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    #21 singletrack, Aug 21, 2015
    Wow. Big balls. I wish you well man and look forward to the updates!

    Engine sounds good in the vid you posted.
     
  22. singletrack

    singletrack F1 Veteran

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    #22 singletrack, Aug 21, 2015
  23. webber498

    webber498 Karting

    Aug 2, 2012
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    Cheshire, UK
    #23 webber498, Aug 21, 2015
    Wow this is a big job, wish you all the best!

    I was getting all stressed out about a corrosion bubble appearing on my arch last week, kinda puts that into perspective a bit!
     
  24. atl_boy

    atl_boy Formula Junior

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    #24 atl_boy, Aug 21, 2015
    Look forward to this build.
     
  25. rmarchjr

    rmarchjr Formula Junior

    May 21, 2012
    586
    North east, USA
    #25 rmarchjr, Aug 21, 2015
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    Success- car starts and shifts into gear. Here are pics of the radiator work around.

    Now to get her rolling.... found lots of broken stuff. Looks like front right and rear left wheels impacted a curb or something very solid, the lower screws connecting both of those hubs to lower arms failed and destroyed 2 of the CCM brake rotors. Not a huge loss as I want to use the car at the track, steel rotors will offer much lower maintenance cost at the expense of unsprung weight. 10# per wheel +40# total. I think the CCMs are incredible but just not worth the cost for any car doing more track then street and I can always go back to them.

    Lots to replace, flamblocs, hubs, bearings, suspension arms, silent blocs, tie rods, rotors, pads, one half shaft and every nut & bolt that took a load in the accident. My dealer will love this.
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