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With no comment on what that "pretty accurate" is supposed to mean, there are:

1) period photos showing "Uovo" with plates "VI 20362".
2) period PRA-documents listing "VI 20362" as a "Ferrari 2500 Export Berlinetta" for Scuderia Marzotto. Chassis and engine are both listed as 0084/E.

This is why it seems likely/possible that Uovo body was transferred from chassis 0084/E into 024/MB.

Best wishes, Kare

 

Or, much easier, the plates were swapped.

 

I thought of that too, but they still make a statement of 0084E having been a berlinetta at the time.

 

I am interested to a car which is 'related' to the Uovo. According to "Ferrari - A Complete Guide to All Models" the Marzotto brothers had a second 212 Export built with a body by Carrozzeria Fontana of Padua. It is described as an odd looking barchetta dubbed the "Sicilian Cart" which Vittorio won the 1951 Giro di ASicilia.

Would this be that car?

"The Ferrari 212 Export Spider Vignale 1951 is a wonderful small racing Spider with Art Deco
styling features (dashboard and inside doors). Its first owner was Count Umberto Marzotto. The same car was the first Ferrari to be tested by the magazines Automobil Revue and The Autocar in 1951."

Shown at the Ville d'Esta show 2005

From thread: http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51162&highlight=marzotto

Anyone have a serial number or pics??

Is the "Scilian Cart" 0084E?

 

Try a search for 0086E.

 

I first saw the car at Tanner's shop in the south bay area in the early 1970s. I know DuGan mainly from Bugatti stuff...

 

I looked this up - 4 bodies in one year! Must be a record:
Sicilian Cart - Fontana
Export Spyder - Vignale
Station wagon - Fontana
Export Spyder - Fontana

 

0086E's record is a mess. With the above mentioned bodies, there were variations in between. I wouldn't be surprised if these bodies used two chassis. Hopefully when we see the car restored (soon?) this might get cleared up.

 

Where does the 0086ES number come from?

 

A nice photo of the 'Carretto Siciliano' from the Targa Florio website
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There is a 1/43rd scale model of this car if anyoe is interested....

 

Any front angles around?

 

Phot of the 1/43rd model by Tron (rear view)
http://www.mafma.com/images/tronbb046.jpg

Photo of the 1/43rd model by Jolly Models (front view)
http://www.jollymodel.net/contents/media/jolly%200154%20212%20spyder%20sicilia%20n.440%20%2001.jpg?lmd=39958.806944

 

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OK, I'm going to jump back in. G. Marzotto, with whom I had some correspondence, said he bought the chassis (referring to 024MB) from Enzo and commissioned Fontana et al to build the body. He never said anything about moving the "egg" body to another chassis. He did refer to the Caretto Siciliano, a different car, as having several different bodies, some merely modifications of others. 024MB (or 024M8, unclear) showed no signs of having an altered S/N. In an early Ferrari yearbook there is a pic of a barchetta, by the side of the road, broken absolutely in half, with reference to one of the Marzottos, can't remember which. Putting all that together, it makes more sense that 0084 started life as that barchetta. I will post pix of the chassis of 024MB, as it is somewhat unusual. Hope this helps you researchers/historians/S/N nuts!

P.S. Pix taken at Tillack's shop in 1982; Tanner was just a sub-tenant of Steve.
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Why do you suppose all that additional 'c' channel reinforcement was welded onto to the sides of the oval tubing?

Not a common thing among all the old Ferrari frames we have seen posted....

 

Just body supports.

 

The barchetta had been broken in half in the 1950 Mille Miglia. Explain me how 0084E (a 1951 chassis) could be ready for the 1950 Mille Miglia ???

 

Hi Cyril,

it is clear that the r# 650 broken-in-half 166 MM Touring barchetta was 024MB. According to the foglio montaggio 0084E's chassis was not finished before 22nd February, 1951.

The Ouvo-Berlinetta was finished by Fontana already in March 1951. According to Giannino Marzotto Fontana was building the Ouvo body on its chassis since early January 1951. So the chassis used by Fontana definitely was not 0084E. It was 024MB instead. For the MM 1951 the Fontana Ouvo Berlinetta used only 212-engine of 0084/E.

I know that you now will argue with the ACI-papers of "VI 20362". They can not help in this case. Ed is right, the Marzotto brothers played license plate swapping. Scuderia Marzotto used the plate "VI 20362" not only for the Ouvo but for at least a 166 and a 212 barchetta in 1952 to 1953.

Best regards

Bjoern

 

Hi Bjoern,

I argue nothing. Ed said that 0084E could be the barchetta crashed at 1950 Mille Miglia and I said it was impossible as 0084E was a 1951 chassis, exactly what you are saying.
I know that identities of 024MB and 0084E had been swapped at one time but it's still not clear.
Thanks for your reply.

 

Thanks, Bjoern and others. I wish I had paid more attention to the chassis of 024MB when I had the chance; perhaps I would have found evidence of the frame rail repairs. It's strange that Gianinno M. didn't just tell me that history. Is it possible that he didn't know that he was buying back his brother's chassis? Somewhere I have his letter saying that he bought the chassis from Enzo. I posted the pix because it's such an unusual frame; sorry the quality isn't better.

 

I always though the egg was simply the 3rd or 4th body on 024MB (a 166) , as that is what it was on at Tillacks. Just how does 0084E come into play with the egg other than through 0084E's 212 engine?

 

Dretceterini, I do agree with your first sentence. Not for the rest. Giannino Marzotto is clear in his letter to Jack du Gan (Prancing Horse #86), a must : it’s two 212 chassis his brother Vittorio and himself were waiting for the Giro de Sicilia (1.4.1951), not some « rebuilt 166 » (024/MB or whatever) and both 212s were in Sicily : the Uovo for GM, the « Carretto Siciliano» for VM who won the race.

These 2 chassis were 0084/E and 0086/E (respectively), the only two Ferraris sold in chassis to the final user AFAIK. Incidentally the latest date on the assembly forms of 0084/E is 14.2.51 : not plenty of time but… they di dit. They even had time to show their cars to a dissatisfied Enzo…

As you say you always thought, it’s only much later that the Uovo bodywork was transfered to 024/MB and it’s another story.

In other words : GM’s letter has nothing to do with (ex) Du Gan’s chassis 024/MB but only with the bodywork !

Ciao