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  1. MisterMaranello

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    #1 MisterMaranello, Jul 11, 2014
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    I thought this would be an appriorate time to start a dedicated LaFerrari XX discussion/picture thread, as there is now pretty much unanimous agreement that there is a running prototype of the car (see vid in this post). The car has wider front wheel arches, a different exhaust setup, is much stiffer etc.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EIrO2bP6Q8]Ferrari LaFerrari XX Testing with EPIC Sound!! - YouTube[/ame]
     
  2. isot

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    I have a question, probably stupid..The LaFerrari XX will be built on a brand new car or it will be a rebuilt of ones of 499?
     
  3. MisterMaranello

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    They are separate cars, purpose-built by the factory.
     
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    This also happened with the FXX and 599XX right?
     
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    In the video by 2.22, what happened with the right rear wheel? This didn't look good!
     
  6. Igor Ound

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    From patents it might have an "active aero duct" at the front. IMO the bonnet vent will finally serve its function with a big fan in it
     
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  8. MisterMaranello

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    Correct. I believe there are roughly 30 FXX and 39 599XX.

    Good question. Likely a suspension failure of some sort?

    Link?
     
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    #8 Heat Seeker WS6, Jul 11, 2014
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    If that's the way it is, that's a pretty dynamic suspension! It appears to power out of the corner just fine and watch that wheel going into the next turn- nice & planted, looks ok to me.
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    #10 redcaruser, Jul 11, 2014
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    a new all-wheel steering system? ;)

    I would say the suspension was broken, this wheel position cannot be normal.

    However, drivers reaction was excellent!
     
  12. Bas Jaski

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    That's about the opposite of nice and planted.
     
  13. NürScud

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    I think there are 42 599XX. Not sure though.
     
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    And if I remember correctly, there are 34 FXX. The initial number was 29, but Schumacher asked for another one. When the EVO package was launched, 4 more cars were built.
     
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    #14 MisterMaranello, Jul 12, 2014
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    Hmm, I haven't checked for a while but I believe both myself and Carbon have 39 VIN's.
     
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  18. MisterMaranello

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    Thanks Peter. Would you happen to know how many LaF-XX mules there currently are running around?
     
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    Look forward to more information.
     
  20. PSk

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    Until Ferrari Spa says there is an XX model I don't believe it. They could be testing anything ...
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    #19 MisterMaranello, Jul 12, 2014
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    It 'is' not an XX per se, it's an early prototype - developing and testing the tech that will feature in the final product. This prototype is a lot stiffer than the production LaF, the wing is much more active, there is a different exhaust, lightweight wheels etc. The brakes glow under braking, something I have not seen a production-spec CCM system do except in special circumstances...

    The time for performance testing and calibrating the LaF is behind us... They are still doing some durability testing, but are doing so on prototypes in road-spec so to spec.
     
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    But they have! At least to future owners!!!

    This is an XX mule. So far without too much aero mods, but a concentration on weight reduction, suspension settings, brakes and engine and Hy-Kers.

    The Monza test was the first with a next step for the rear wing but work is coming on the front end aero
     
  24. NürScud

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    Thank you for clarify.

    :)
     
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    Not official then ;)
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    As official as it gets before the brochures are sent out, knucklehead. ;)
     
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    By the way, they never even print a brochure!!

    The car will - in theory - be presented "privately" at the World Finals" to the CC customers
     
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    We get to the bottom of this? Whats the deal on the back of the car to the lower right by the exhaust?
     
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    I reckon Ferrari are testing something there. No way that suspension "broke" and came back good again as it powered out of that corner.

    Quite obvious to me that the wheel leans outwards like that under hard cornering loads, giving the ultimate level of grip before returning back to normal on the straight.

    I could be wrong and if I am, I would love see see or hear Ferraris explanation of that rear wheel doing what it did.
     
  30. Ryan S.

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    Im thinking the same. I think the thing sticking out the back has something to do with it as well. Something to give the active steering a bit more travel room until they can package it nicely.....
     
  31. TOOLFAN

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    This is the first and only current XX prototype. The battery mules are still out and about.
     
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    I have heard this to, but I heard it won't be the finished car, just a mockup of some sort...
     
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    I would expect the other side tire to move aswell. With the trend coming soon I could imagine that ferrari could test out active steering. Question is, why hasnt it happened in the other corners? There are a few where the car got pushed harder towards the limit. If it was a malfunction then he was very brave to drive it that hard after lol.
     
  34. Ryan S.

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    Perhaps just a controlled test at certain angles/speed?
     
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    That could explain why he drives as if nothing happened after
     
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    No way a tyre leaning out like that would provide more grip than one with it's tread area on the track surface. You would have to fit the car with motorcycle tyres to use that tyre lean and as we all know motorcycles corner considerably slower than a car with downforce because of their incredibly small tyre contact patch with the road.

    Something broke, or didn't work correctly, and returned to near correct position due to acceleration or the driver lifted off and putted back to the pits.
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    A big thank you to those rationalizing the "I meant to do that" effect of the rear suspension.

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  38. noone1

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    LOL. Active steering on only a single corner, a single time? Seriously?

    Something obviously broke and caused the slide/loss of control. The drive brought it back in line and took it to the pits. The video even said that they didn't lap anymore after that.

    The reason the driver didn't stop right then and there is probably because he isn't the one recording the video. He probably knows something went wrong, but not the extent of it. He couldn't see what the camera saw. Not all component failures result in catastrophic failure.
     
  39. Bas Jaski

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    Looks to me the top wishbone (or part of it that connects) broke. When under load round that corner, the top of the wheel ''falls over'', right until the car gets straight again and the wishbone sort of falls into place.

    If you watch closely you can definitely see the wheel not sitting as it should when it starts to enter curva grande. It sits lower with a tonne of camber and higher into the wheel housing.
     
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    I support your opinion, imo definitely a broken suspension.

    I ask myself; is Ferrari testing really a LaF-XX-version or do they analyze possible overheating problems? Is the additional unit at the rear a measuring instrument to control the heat generation under stress?
     
  41. noone1

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    The only thing you can say for sure is that they are now doing research and testing on rear suspensions. ;)

    I think they are testing a lot of things. I'm sure there are plenty of small bugs, reliability, and driveability improvements to be made on the LF. They could be testing new active aero algorithms that will pushed out later and that can probably be used on future cars with active aero. They could be testing new brake pads. They could be measuring something with respect to the hybrid system to use in an FF eventually.

    There will likely be an FXX program, they are likely testing stuff for it, and they are likely doing R&D for other stuff as well.
     
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    #40 BlackRivazza, Jul 14, 2014
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    Peter, are you sure the Monza test was the first one? Here is a link with a rather blurry photo of what seems to be the XX-Prototype, also on"challenge" wheels and racing side windows standing in the pitlane in Vallelunga... Could be the same car as in the Monza test and thus they are probably testing it a little bit longer. -> http://www.supercarteam.com/laferrari-xx-foto-del-primo-esemplare/
     
  43. DM18

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    lmao - brochure of a cc car...
     
  44. ChalStrad

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    Testing is also a means of putting a maximum amount of stress on as many parts of the car as possible - even up until they break. This is the only manner in which a car can be developed so that when it is delivered to customers it is safe.

    The suspension failed in some way. Simple.
     
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    Peoples reactions to the rear wheel/suspension failure is hilarious. This is part of testing. Break it. Fix it. Break it again.
     
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    Why hilarious? It was the most interesting sequence in this video. Apart from that I've only seen a LaFerrari with thin exhaust turning his round - not really spectacular, no new facts delivering… ;)
     
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    and try to fix it again!

    By the way, any idea regarding the price of the package this time for an XX?
     
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    ;)
     
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    I'm guessing >€2M...
     
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