The Restoration of -1963 Ferrari 250 GTE #4879

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  1. Martin M

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    #1 Martin M, Apr 6, 2013
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    Hello,

    Here is the story how 1963 GTE series III s/n 4879 will have full restoration.
    The car is bought from Sweden - Lomma in 2011 via ferraris-online (Michael Sheehan).
    Previous owner was Leif Nillson who started with the restoration over 10 years ago but did not finish it.

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  2. PAUL BABER

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    That has the making of a great car. Good luck with the restoration. However the steering wheel is strange. Its obviously missing one of the three arms but appears to be correct otherwise. The condition of the wood rim suggests it might be a new replica but if you think its original are there signs of someone having previously sawn off the third arm ?
     
  3. Julius H.

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    Good luck Martin with restoration and share here some pictures,info during the process.

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  4. Martin M

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    #4 Martin M, Apr 7, 2013
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    s/n number
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  5. Martin M

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    Paul, yes the steering wheel one arm was probably broken, I closely looked and I can see the old traces there.
     
  6. Martin M

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    #6 Martin M, Apr 7, 2013
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    And here we go!...
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    #7 Martin M, Apr 7, 2013
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    Finally back home and work with the car can start in our workshop.
    As we pulled out the engine we we understand that there is no good signs of the 10 years past engine rebuild what Mr Nillson told us. We tested the cylinders compression and got the results very poor. We thought that the compression rings are stuck by the years. So we checked the timing what needed adjusting and we started the engine on the bench.
    At first the oil filter blowed when the engine fired. New adjustings with the oil pressure relief valve and new test start.
    The engine runned very rought and exhaust gas color was as rainbow, we tried to adjust carburettors but it did not make any sense.

    Now what?....disassemble!!?
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  9. Martin M

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    #8 Martin M, Apr 7, 2013
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    dissamble
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  10. Martin M

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    #9 Martin M, Apr 7, 2013
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    engine shop and new pistons
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  11. Martin M

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    #10 Martin M, Apr 7, 2013
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    assamble
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    #11 Martin M, Apr 7, 2013
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    cylinder heads and studs
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  13. Martin M

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    #12 Martin M, Apr 7, 2013
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    Some of the original head studs had damages on the threads and other 5 or more
    draw out. So we planned to fabricate new studs from 42CrNiMo4 steel (if I remember it correct). After tempering the Rockwell hardness results was 40 HRC.
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    Great pictures thank you
     
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    #14 Martin M, Apr 7, 2013
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    carburettors.
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    #15 Martin M, Apr 7, 2013
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    plating and gear
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    Fantastic pictures! Thanks for sharing.
     
  19. Martin M

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    #17 Martin M, Apr 7, 2013
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    starter and alternator
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    #18 Martin M, Apr 7, 2013
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    Getting ready for first start up. Checking the spark plugs in pressure cabin and the color of combustion in every cylinder.
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    Great pictures !!

    Thank you for sharing
     
  22. Martin M

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    #20 Martin M, Apr 7, 2013
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    When running the engine first couple of hours we find out that brand new Elring head gasket have failed. So I ordered new custom made gaskets from "ferraricraft". The core was softer and unnecessary water passages was blinded. At the moment they work well.
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  23. Martin M

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    Gentlemans, how can I "turn the page" here?
    I want to upload next process pictures here but otherwise becomes too cluttered in one page.
     
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    you get someone like me to say "bravo" and "keep them coming" for another post or two . .
     
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    . . . and then your next post (21) will be at the top of the next page.
     
  26. Martin M

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    #24 Martin M, Apr 7, 2013
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    Thanks guys! I have bunch of pictures more to upload I hope that you do not get tired.

    So the engine is ready and under the blanket.
    Next step - matching the nose and chopping the firewall !
    Left front has been involved in a little crash, I think the metalwork has been done without the grill because it do not match even it has nr 616 stamped in like as other interrior panels.

    greetings from my nephew there :)
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    #25 Martin M, Apr 7, 2013
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    Original paint codes and measuring the putty under the paint.
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    #26 Martin M, Apr 7, 2013
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    Aluminium firewall chop and new fabrication.
    It was lucky to ask at the last minute "do you have the original firewall panels left" ?
    "Yes, I have but some wall edges are throw away"

    Thank god!
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    #27 Martin M, Apr 7, 2013
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    a lot of measuring
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    massively impressive project and documentation.

    how much oversize were new pistons?
     
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    Thanks for the amazing pictures!
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  33. Martin M

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    Thanks!

    Rick, 73,5mm are the new pistons.
    Marco, I will check the paint card tomorrow. The car will have new paint coat you will see from upcoming pictures.
     
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    BRAVO MARTIN!!!
    Super impressive, the amount of work and your precision! As so often the case, the car looked "pretty good" in the early pix; hiding a lot needs....

    And your photo-documenting skills are just as good!
    Thanks so much for the posts; this thread is a real contribution to FChat.

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  35. Martin M

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    #33 Martin M, Apr 7, 2013
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    wall 2
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    wall 3
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  37. Julius H.

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    highly detailed documentation.thumbs up

    Seems that GTE will be like new.

    Next year will start full restoration of my 4295 also
     
  38. Martin M

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    #36 Martin M, Apr 7, 2013
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    These panels were probably rotted, cut out and throw also away. I looked and zoomed chunk of images what I found on the internet of different cars.

    The pattern is made with revolver CNC punch.
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    Martin - Very impressive and informative photos for anyone with a 250. The one photo with the starter on the engine reminds me of when I removed, rebuilt, and re-installed the starter on my 250 GTE while lying under the car. That nut between the starter and engine was a bugger.
     
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    After considerable time spent on this thread and recording much of it for my files, certain things come to mind. This car is fifty years old, was basicly hand built and is not that much different from the extraudinary competition cars by the same maker of only a few years before. So lets consider what it takes to do what these pictures show. The skills to do an engine rebuild,to rebuild the interior body work never mind the other projects not yet delt with. Just the engine alone is remarcable. Conside the difference between a 1963 Ford engine and the Ferrari engine of the same year.Two basics immediately come to mind.The difference in the RPM redlines and the BHP per cibic inch of the two. So let's give credit to those who skills it takes to return that 1963 Ferrari V12 and those who hand build and install those previously hand built body pannels to what might be considerd even better than original.And now it starts to come clear why undertaking such a project consumes the time and money that it does. This thread is invaluable. There should be more like it. tongascrew
     
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    #39 Martin M, Apr 7, 2013
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    mudguards, gearbox tunnel
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    #40 Martin M, Apr 7, 2013
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    somebody has cut the flange of gearbox tunnel, dont know why
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    #41 Martin M, Apr 7, 2013
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    under fender heaters, rusty
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    #42 Martin M, Apr 7, 2013
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    pedals, brake cable
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    #43 Martin M, Apr 7, 2013
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    front suspension
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    #44 Martin M, Apr 7, 2013
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    Original Dunlop calipers - overbored 0.20mm, lathed new brass pistons.
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    #45 Martin M, Apr 7, 2013
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    front brake disc aluminium guards
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    #46 Martin M, Apr 7, 2013
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    Rear axle and leaf springs
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    #47 Martin M, Apr 7, 2013
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    Chrome details before plating
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    wonderful thread, delight to see the normally hidden areas of the car! :)
     
  51. Martin M

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    #49 Martin M, Apr 7, 2013
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    details taken care of
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    #50 Martin M, Apr 7, 2013
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    After plating
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