The Restoration of -1963 Ferrari 250 GTE #4879

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  1. merstheman

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    Every car deserves to have this treatment, especially 250 GTE's. What an inspiration.
     
  2. elipinski

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    Sir, it can not get any better. How did you acquire your skills and craftsmanship? Unbelievable work. Stunning. You are an artist.
     
  3. DoubleDown

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    Simply outstanding.
     
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    A very cool feature!

    Gr. Martin
     
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    Great work Martin!
    Reading this thread was more interesting than watching the Abi Dhabi GP!

    David
     
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  8. Darren C

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    Superb Martin,
    Great attention to detail. The car looks magnificent!
     
  9. Martin M

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    #158 Martin M, Dec 23, 2013
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    Hello!

    2013 year end is approaching and I can safely say that the car looks 90% complete to finish without adjustments... Feels good! :)
    Lately I got Borrani wheels polished, phhhu... that was a sick work. One wheel was so bad, damaged from battery acid but now it looks just great :)
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  10. Martin M

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    #159 Martin M, Dec 23, 2013
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    Air filter body mesh goes to chrome plating. Need to make remedy for not to burn the mesh corners.

    The car was equipped with electrical windscreen washer pump and the canister was slightly larger than manual foot pedal plastic bag. The glass canister is from Trico (made in England) used also on Rolls-Royce and Jaguars. I had the lid missing, so I found a good example from internet. The Fram filter element is original and came with the car, a very-very nice element there.
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  11. Martin M

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    Gentlemen , I need your help with the decals.
    These are just samples printed on paper before I do final printing.

    1) Does late series GTE have FIAT anodized decal top of the brake fluid canister? I have seen series I and II have the same are painted wrinkle black?

    2) Does Series III have Servofreno decal on the brake booster also? I have seen picture a very original untouched car with black painted booster without decal.

    3) What is the correct battery for GTE: Marelli, Baroclem or Fiamm?
     
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    #161 Martin M, Dec 23, 2013
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    1975 was the last year when she was on road.
    I hope Santa brings new correct tires for Christmas present :)

    Merry Christmas!!

    Martin
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    The condition of this car is unbelievable for having sat for 38 years! Not well-loved recently, either, judging by the dusty exterior. Is there a story you can tell?
     
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  15. John Vardanian

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    Martin, it's good that you've gone thru the trouble of making a guard for the air filter mesh. I presume this is to keep the buffer form "burning" it. Is this what you have made this guard for? If so, this mesh is not to be chrome plated, it's unpolished nickle.

    john
     
  16. BIRA

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    I guess turning it into a barn find, or a garage find, so Tom S can buy it...
     
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    Lovely to see the craftsmanship and the attention to detail. Well done.
     
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    Great stuff, I love the color combo.

    Thanks for sharing.
     
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    I bet it will win in your local Estonia concours d elegance :)

    great work

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  20. Martin M

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    Thanks guys, thanks John!

    Nickle...I thought about it. You see it is strange because when we got the car the air cleaner body was fully chromed even the cover. And it was not fresh chrome it was old poor shape chrome. So this mess my minds but I believe you that correct finish must be unpolished nickle. I will tell it to my plater man.

    Yes, the guard is for the "burning" reasons.

    Thanks for the attention John!

    Best regards
    Martin
     
  21. John Vardanian

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    #169 John Vardanian, Dec 24, 2013
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    Martin, I have seen chromed air boxes in other instances and in fact mine was entirely chromed too when I got the car a number of years ago. The correct look is not shiny but "brushed" and it needs to have that yellowish glow of nickle. It is possible that when they chromed yours in the past, they wiped away the characteristic "brush" marks during buffing, so even if you nickle plate it today it will end up shinier than it needs to be. I'd suggest that before sending it off you put back those brush marks in the screen portion of the box with sand paper.

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  22. stavri

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    1) wrinkle black
    2) servofreno. Have never seen black booster. Should be clear cad.
    3) Baroclem

    Also, booster bleeder screws are black oxide and the rocker trim strip should be satin black. Great work Martin.
     
  23. stavri

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    Martin,
    I would think those larger size tyres would hit the inside rear wheel well. I recall getting my car with those sizes on and it was not good. I switched to the original size Pirelli 185 /15 cinturato.

    Steve
     
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    He did mention wanting the correct tires for Christmas.
     
  25. BIRA

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    Do you feel that polishing is enough. As a matter of fact I sent mine to Borrani for restoration and they sis thematically change all the spokes,,not only some become lose and corroded with time, but I would not like to have one or more spoke collapsing under heavy cornering or braking?
    For the same reason I am running the Stratos on repro magnesium wheels as those alloys are well know for disintegrating without warning. Would feel the same with Campagnolo alloys on 275 SN cosmetic and even crack testing might not be enough with 50 years old alloy wheels.
     
  26. Martin M

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    John, It is strange that numerous cars have semi painted and other fully chromed filter body's. But when I think time back I remember there was some small black paint remnant over the filter cover edge and bottom side also. In such case the semi paint solution might been correct for my filter. Maybe the plating was done fully all the body's from basis before painting them as request.

    Steve, Thanks for the info! Did you had 5.5" wide Borrani wheels? I have 6.5" wheels (series III).

    Bira, actually the wheels are bought from new over 20 years ago but never touched the road. Even the Pirelli Cinturanto tires are as new but rubber is all cracked. Aluminium rim needed only polishing and I agree the spokes might need tensioning due its time. No corrosion damage is not visible, they are good.

    Regards
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    Martin,
    My series II wheels are RW3690 15 x 6.00. I didn't realize that the series III had a different size wheel.
    regards,
    Steve
     
  28. Julius H.

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    My series III has also RW3690 15X6 and as i know and seen on other GTE III there is also 15X6.

    Julius
     
  29. Martin M

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    They are 15 x 6 1/2L RW 3801/B
     
  30. Julius H.

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    interesting also spare wheel in my Series III which is untouched and in serious patina has 15X6 42 RW3690

    Julius
     
  31. T308

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    While these details for 1 & 2 are as represented in the GTE manual this later car may have had a Marelli battery and the brake fluid reservoir cap could go either way. It certainly makes sense that the factory would paint out the details on cars featured in the press or shows. My Series Two has an un painted version as have many other original cars I have seen.
     
  32. 330 4HL

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    Perhaps wider wheels were fitted somewhere along the way by a previous owner.
    I've never seen 3801s on a 250 GTE.
    I think even the 250 GTOs came with 3690s.
    Can someone clarify this?
     
  33. Julius H.

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    Here is list by TomYang that might help

    Borrani Wheel information

    I am sure that my car was fitted with these size Borranis

    Julius
     
  34. Harry-SZ

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    Just found this amazing thread!
    Real restoration craftmanship. Very nice and informative to see all those pictures.
    I really love this and am looking forward to the finished car.

    Thanks for posting all this!
     
  35. VisualHomage

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    This is the most comprehensive and detail-oriented restoration I've ever seen documented online. What a project and car! Wow!

    I'm glad to see, too, that this GTE is being honored and respected in this way--not butchered to make a GTO replica.
     
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    Fantastic work! Glad to see this effort put into the "unloved" Ferrari of so long.

    Much respect to your passion Sir.

    Ciao and best!
     
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    Perhaps,re your above statement,you should have a look at Darren's thread on his S1 330 that he bought with most of the parts missing?

    His is determination personified.
     
  38. VisualHomage

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    Gimme a link and I will visit that one.
     
  39. simon klein

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    'Unloved'? I think moniker goes to the S1 330,don't you?
    Certainly the 250 body was 'valueless' in so far of it's underpinings were valuable re the number of recreations and replicas.
    I don't think it was unloved though,just a necessary means to and end for so many of them.
     
  40. VisualHomage

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    I'll meet you half-way. The GTE and 330 are both in that category as they are regularly sacrificed and destroyed to make replicars. That this man has restored his GTE to an immaculate state is something of an anomaly and act of love among a sea of unlove.

    please see:

    Chad Glass: Ferrari 250 GTE and 330 GT to be Hunted to Extinction
     
  41. Martin M

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    #189 Martin M, Feb 24, 2014
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    Hello,

    Last week we took the car finally to polishing and she shines for happiness.
    It feels great to see the car complete together. There is few issues as new correct tires to get, battery, steering wheel?, rear number plate frame (cracked).

    Well... waiting for spring and dry roads to hear hoofs clatter and a good profesional photo session. Will see how she runs :)
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  42. Martin M

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    #190 Martin M, Feb 24, 2014
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    I hope all you enjoyed this restoration journey.
    Thanks for all hints and help here. This was the first Ferrari restoration for us and I hope it is not the last one to do.

    Best Regards

    Martin (left) & Aleksander (right)

    Vintage Customizer Restorations, Estonia
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    Car looks gorgeous ,well done.
     
  44. simon klein

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    Fantastic job AND thread.

    Bit high in the arse end????
     
  45. Martin M

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    Simon, there is quite empty gasoline tank and without spare wheel and tool bag. tight also after rebuild, needs bumpy road.
     
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    I have followed this thread for a long time and I'm very impressed.
     
  47. Darren C

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    Absolutely beautiful.

    Very well done on a fantastic restoration and for taking the time to create this thread.

    and if any of those old parts are up for grabs, please pm me!
     
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    Wonderful, but a couple of buts:
    1. Camcovers should be all black ... Tom Yang will be not happy ;)
    2. I hope all those parts are not left over as somebody will make a replica out of them ... lol

    Well done!
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  49. KenGoldman

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    Beautiful car.

    I am glad that these cars are now worthy of restoration.

    Let us know your driving experiences once this gets
    out on the road.

    Thank you for the postings !!

    Ken Goldman
     
  50. no8080

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    I am amazed, what more can I say than, erm, amazing.

    Well done, a beautiful car and an excellent nuts and bolts rebuild.

    It boggles the mind to even think about the tools you have needed to perform this rebuild, let alone the mamoth task of the rebuild itself.

    I look forward to seeing more of your work.

    Neil
     
  51. John Vardanian

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    congratulations!

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  52. Julius H.

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    perfect.well done.

    I will inspire from this thread when i will start resto of my GT/E

    julius
     

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