The Restoration of -1963 Ferrari 250 GTE #4879

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  1. omd78

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    Job well done! I enjoyed reading this thread. Keep us posted on any future restorations.

    Gr. Martin
     
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    Thanks for sharing - a lot of work, wasn't it? Any idea of the total man-hours invested?

    Very impressive fabrication skills. I had refrained from commenting earlier, primarily because a number of finishes weren't right, and I didn't want to be "that guy" picking nits. But I'm glad to see you're going back and correcting some of them. i'm sure it's difficult to be severely limited in the plating processes available to you. I know how hard it is to stay "on course" with the constant roadblocks of things you can't get when you want them.

    Would be interested to hear why the inner fenders were cut away; same for the footwells, especially since the original metal was still laying around, and fortunately available for you to use as a pattern.

    Glad to see this car done as nicely as it is - same color inside and out as my 4799GT,

    Congratulations and thanks again for sharing so generously.
     
  3. Martin M

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    #203 Martin M, Sep 15, 2014
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    Hello!

    It has been 6 months after last report here when the car was finished and stored for winter time here in Estonia. In the beginning of august we got time to start take a test drives on the road. So after driving and adjusting we got over 1700 km on the counter now and the car drives now very well. We changed the main jets to stage higher and bought new brake main cylinder.
    We also got chance to buy correct Nardi steering wheel for the car (3th spoke was broken) and very soon we will have correct size Borrani wheels and tires for the car as well.


    I hope you all joined this #4879 GTE restoration thread. It takes about 2.5 years to do this with to man.

    Thanks

    Best Regards

    Martin Muhu
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    Aleksander Muhu
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  4. VisualHomage

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    I'm so glad to see a GTE taken to this level of near perfection. Top respects.
     
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    Livin the dream!
     
  6. Martin M

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    #206 Martin M, Sep 15, 2014
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    That is beautiful. A job very well done!
     
  10. Vintage V12

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    Fantastic job. Wow!
     
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    What a beautiful car! Congratulations! Enjoy it!
     
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    You should be very proud for your dedication to a beautiful GTE! I would take this over a Daytona any day !!!
     
  13. Vincent Vangool

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    Beautiful. Glad to see it come together. Amazing work on a car that deserves it.
     
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  15. simsko

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    Great pics.
     
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  17. peterp

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    Absolutely amazing work Martin -- congrats.
     
  18. 635CSI

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    Martin that is brilliant !

    Can I ask a question , do you know if that Blankpunkt radio and speaker are original or after market?
     
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    Beautiful job!!

    Is the thing next to the rear shelf speaker a rear defroster?


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  20. NürScud

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    So beautiful, enjoy it.
     
  21. Martin M

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    #219 Martin M, Sep 16, 2014
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    Thanks,

    David, yes the rear defroster is there.

    635CSI, I am sure that the radio and speakers are both original. Under the dashboard is Blaupunkt fader balance timmer for the speakers also.

    Martin
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    Thanks Martin.
    Where is the antenna?
    I have an electric one in the wing of 2837 GT which I am not really keen on.
    I was wondering what your solution was?
     
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    The ultimate compliment!
     
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    Wow! Beautiful car! What a great result.
     
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    Question and comment: Here, most shops have specialists, i.e. engine builder, body work, painter, upholsterer. You are a two-man shop; did you farm out some work, or do it ALL yourselves? I agree with another poster that the cam covers should be all black, although I like the look of the polished highlights.
     
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    Odds are it passed through your hands at one time or another.
     
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    One of the BEST posts EVER on Ferrarichat. Thank you for taking the time to provide a step by step history of this 2-1/2 year odyssey.
     
  29. Martin M

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    #227 Martin M, Sep 17, 2014
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    635 CSI, The electric antenna is right side of wing. The radio is the delux series of Blaupunkt with early power transistors. The channels search is automatic, one touch to the button.

    Ed Niles, Yes we are two-man shop. We buy service mostly four work phase from our “subcontractors"” : bodywork, paint job, upholstery and chrome, etc plating.
    All the other work A to Z we carry in our shop. I totally agree the battery is modern, valve covers must be full wrinkle and ground braker is not ment for the car.
    Also fuel line ferrules are not cadium plated (hard to find cadium plating near our country). But these are just tiny things what are behind this big work. We will correct them very soon as we got time :)

    Thanks for the compliments!

    Regards
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  30. Darren C

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    Martin, I have just one word....

    Beautiful!
     
  31. John Vardanian

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    #229 John Vardanian, Sep 17, 2014
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    Martin, this photo is from Page 1. How did you make this sector gear, what tools were employed? Thanks.

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  32. Martin M

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    Hi John,

    The full sector is done by lathe. Then it is cut to a quarter and hand sliced by another identical machinery gear wheel teeth distribution what I was lucky to found.
    Tricky but can be done.

    Martin
     
  33. John Vardanian

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    I thought so, Martin. Great work on this, BTW!

    I broke one a couple years ago and knocked on every door I knew for a spare, could not find any. I was about to resort to a solution like yours when I found a connection at the UK, they had two left. I asked Weber when they would have more, was told there were no plans to make them in the foreseeable future.

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  34. Martin M

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    John, I had the same answer from Weber you know. Then I decided to not waste more time behind the computer and let the lathe roll...

    Martin
     
  35. rocnred

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    Wow! It is hard to believe the car we see at the end is the same car we saw on page 1. You 2 are magicians. Absolutely beautiful.
     
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    #234 John Vardanian, Sep 17, 2014
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    Martin, how did you make the bell for the water manifold? Thanks.

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    Amazing work. Incredible to see that after all that work, the first outside pictures were in the snow.
     
  38. Martin M

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    John, the bell is made also using lathe.

    Martin
     
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    Martin, turning that thin walled bell, making your own head studs, and all the other items you documented have had me re-reading this whole thread in awe a couple times. Many shops post loads of great photos of the tin bashing, and engine building, but all the photos of gauge & carb rebuilds, laser etching bevels, and the hundreds of other details you posted here are hugely appreciated to those of us doing far simpler restorations.
     
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    great work ! any new project in your mind ? ;)
     
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    Gosh Martin another question for you ( or anybody else).
    On my car the air filter holder that sits on top of the carbs has been incorrectly painted with a crinkle finish. Looking at your car and others the top and bottom of the box are painted smooth satin black. The grill around the side of the unit appears shiney and reflective.
    Is it chrome plated ?
     
  42. Martin M

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    #240 Martin M, Sep 21, 2014
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    Hello,

    Thank you all for the compliments.

    635 CSI, The top and bottom is painted satin black. The mesh/grill is nickle plated but somehow it turned out so shiny. I told to plater that they do not polish it too good to have the final result matt surface.

    Michael, We are open on any interesting car project from pre-war cars to classic cars.
    So one of the next project is pre-war Mercedes-Benz restoration.

    Sorry, this goes offtopic but talking about past, we had in work:


    1968 Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow I
    1927 Buick Model 28
    1963 Alfa Romeo 2600 Spyder
    1935 MG PB Midget Supercharged

    Regards
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    Hi Martin,

    how is you managed to forget to restore the suitcase??

    :)

    -truly awesome (in the truest meaning of the word) project!
     
  44. Martin M

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    Rick, we wanted to keep toolbag with tools and suitcase in original authentic condition to show what kind of life has the car lived.
     
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    #243 christc, Oct 9, 2014
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    Hi Martin,

    this is really the most comprehensive report on the most fantastic restoration i have seen. i am at the moment in the process of doing a resto on my 250 GTE and use your photos as refernce. Thanks.
    I do have some questions you for sure can easily answer:
    1.) What paint/color code did you use on the engine block and on the gearbox?
    2.) What piston manufacturer did you use?
    3.) What type of insulation/damping material did you use on the roof and doors? Also something from Teroson?

    Thanks for some hints... and let us know about your next resto, even if it is no Ferrari.

    Cheers
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  46. Martin M

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    #244 Martin M, Oct 10, 2014
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    Christopher, thank you for the compliments.

    1. I really do not remember I will look on my old Standox invoices and let you know.
    2. Wössner performance pistons (Germany)
    3. For the doors I used STP silver and for the roof STP gold insulation material. Easy to stick on, great stickiness, no hot air blower need.
    Teroson I used only for the floor, firewall and trunk because if you erase mud mats or carpet panel just for cleaning you will not have disturbing look of shiney insulation material.

    I wish success in restoring your GTE and as I said I will let you know the paint code in PM.

    Regards
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    Hi Martin,

    thanks a lot for the information. As parts suppliers differ not only in pricing but also in quality what were your experiences? can you recommend firms you worked with for GTE parts?

    Thanks + BR
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  48. Martin M

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    #246 Martin M, Dec 29, 2014
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    Hello,

    A lot of time has gone along and things to do. But some time ago
    We submitted interest to have certificate from Ferrari Classiche. One day we received a inspector and inspection with the car lasted 2-3 hours. Next day he went away and after that I got a e-mail and there was signed up two things - not correct wheels and tires.

    So as he said we bought brand new five RW3690 (15x6) wheels from Borrani Route Milano and also Michelin 185 HR15 - XVS tires.

    Time went on and inspector e-mailed me again and asked me to take more pictures of specific points underneath from the car. At the moment no reply from him… I hope to hear him soon. As he said the process may take minimum 6+ months. Will see..
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  49. Martin M

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    #247 Martin M, Dec 29, 2014
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    PS. If somebody is interested set of four RW 3801/B (15x6.5) with 215 Pirelli Super Touring P4000 tires let me know! The wheels are actually new bought somewhere late 90’s by previous owner but never hit the ground until we finished the restoration and driven the car 1800km. Anyway the car has now 6” wheels as the inspector required so the 6.5” wheels are for sale now!

    Regards
    Martin
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  50. kare

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    Really surpriced, several factory photos show wider borranis having been used on S.3 cars so would definitely keep the wheels.
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  51. Martin M

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    I agree, the strangest thing was that Classiche inspector noticed the wider wheels immediately. So we told him the same story that late series GTE had 6.5” wide wheels. Probably same as 330 America model had. He called somewhere and said “you are correct”. When he reached under the hood, he recognized that we have reproduction carburetors.
    We were very sure that these were original carburetors. We were showing the serial nr and carburetor type and he made few phone calls again, got answers – “everything correct”. After that no more questions besides months later email, what I described previously.
     
  52. kare

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    Facepalm. So they really haven't bothered to find out how these cars were originally built - or hire the people in the know. I wouldn't pay 5 pennies for the toilet paper they print out these days.

    Best wishes, Kare
     

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