This is the new California: The California T.

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  1. DriveAfterDark

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    #1 DriveAfterDark, Feb 12, 2014
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  2. Traveller

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    As predicted and looks a marked improvement. Part I really want to see is the all new interior and iPod system.
     
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    looks great.

    turbocharged.

    Ferrari has a hit on their hands :)
     
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    #4 DriveAfterDark, Feb 12, 2014
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    There a two interior pictures in the link I posted, I can upload them here as well:
    Ferrari_CaliforniaT_07-L.jpg
    Ferrari_CaliforniaT_03-L.jpg
     
  5. gt4me

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    Love it.
     
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    #6 Traveller, Feb 12, 2014
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    I was initially lazy to follow the link and then finally did so and here are some other pics
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    #7 Traveller, Feb 12, 2014
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    And again...
    image.jpg
     
  9. gt4me

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    Can anyone photoshop a black one? :)
     
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    And the important part
    image.jpg
     
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    #10 deppi0, Feb 12, 2014
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    I think they are going to sell like Ferrari hot cakes :)

    Interior looks amazing and seems like a huge improvement over the current one, I just wish they added the same manettino functions as the 458.

    Front is pretty aggressive but still classy and the rear seems a little lower but I am sure most of it is visual only due to design changes.

    Do you think the red lower strips at the back in the corners are brake lights or just reflectors? You can clearly see them on the blue car.

    In terms of changes it reminds me a little bit of the changes made between the 550 and 575....
     
  12. DriveAfterDark

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    #11 DriveAfterDark, Feb 12, 2014
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    I am a "side profile guy". To me the side profile of a sportscar has to be sexy or otherwise it won't work. The 1st gen. Cali' look too bloated and fat. The new one reminds me of the timeless 550 Maranello and I love it.

    I think there will hundreds of 1st gen. California bargains in a few months!
    Dave Harris' 550 NF2s 3.jpg
    Ferrari_CaliforniaT_04-L.jpg
     
  13. GuyIncognito

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    agree.

    to me 1st gen Cali to "T" is the difference between 348 and 355....massive improvement.
     
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  15. gt4me

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    Hope so.
     
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    It has a classy look, quite an improvement of the "old" California. Very nice.
     
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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxT40GOtL3s]Ferrari California T Premiere - YouTube[/ame]
     
  18. Allemano

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    I like it better, it looks very good and more agressive ! Nice one but... because there is a buuuut... Why has the engine to be a turbocharged... Couldn't they put a nice atmo V8 with 550 hp ?

    I'm not sure is I like the way Ferreri's engine are going in the future. Could the F12 be the last of the mohican ? As the La Ferrari is already an Hybrid... I think I'm going to cherish naturally aspirated engine even more !!! Turbo is good for Maserati because there is their history with it... But Ferrari ? Yes I know, the 288 GTO, the F40 etc... but... c'mon...
     
  19. Traveller

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    The big change is that torque is up by a monstrous 49%!
     
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    I'm with the guys who cherish the naturally aspirated engines more, but I guess you will forget about the car being turbocharged once you step on the gas! It must be a hoot!

    As MisterMaranello mentioned in another thread, those torque numbers must give the gearbox a very tough time!
     
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    I wonder if the stacked exhaust on the 'old' Cali helped to make the rear seem taller? The old Cali had quite a bit of sheet metal between the rear spoiler and the rear bumper. The Cali T seems to address this in a much nicer way. The shapes seem to be broken up a bit better with the license plate area. And the more conventional quad pipes seem to aid in the rear feeling a bit more taut. A nice improvement.
     
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    Beautiful. Clearly inspired by many classic and modern Ferraris.

    All I'm left wondering now is how that turbo engine will sound.
     
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    I love the side profile. Looks, sexy, light, and muscular- and very Ferrari. The front/ rear ... I can't tell from pictures.
     
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    I agree, looks more refined, better than original, which I own - but evolutionary, not revolutionary. there's nothing earth shattering here, appearance wise.
     
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    How about the elephant in the room???
    Virtually no turbo lag? Is this possible and what type of power comes on when the turbos spool up??
     
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    Not bad, not great. Wish it were a little more aggressive in the front. The back is remarkably improved. It's not as radical a change visually as I would have expected. But, I do like the engine (like the engine in the Q porte also).
     
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    Impressive. Funny that a california now has more torque than F12 and even the mighty la ferrari.
     
  29. Vanquish80

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    Wow, what an improvement! I really like the design, the back looks great compared to the weird thing on the current one. Unfortunately I don't like turbo engines. Seems to be the same like in the new QP Maser.
     
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    On first glance, the California T shows some attractive changes/additions as well as some feature/performance improvements. However, I think some of the changes are of mixed value. I would have to see and test the car in person to form a reliable opinion.

    At the moment, I see this car satisfying buyers who like to shop numbers and also keeps the competitors at bay in that regard but it would seem the changes are not that dramatic that it would prompt current owners to swap their rides for the new one. The two cars look pretty contemporary to each other.

    Rather, I think the new car would generate continued and broader interest from new buyers. Given that Ferrari intends to restrain production, they would prefer to go after new Ferrari owners in the immediate term. So I think they made a good move with the new car.

    FWIW, I prefer the current car's standard 20" diamond-cut wheels, they look much more stunning and distinctive whereas the ones in these photos resemble contemporary designs used on other cars.

    I also prefer the stacked double-exhausts of the current car.

    If you have dual exhaust paths, you really only need 2 pipes, like the Scud/16M setup. Or, if the paths are centred together, you can use 1 big one. More than 2 pipes is really just to generate excitement in the observer - like the double tail lights on the F430 and Enzo. This is where the stacked pipes of the current California look much better.

    Observers on the street see cars as they pass by. So stacked pipes would immediately be noticed even if you see the car only in profile. Side-by-side pipes completely lose that advantage - they look completely blasé from the side. Side-by-side double pipes are also common, even the Jaguar F-Type has them. It doesn't do a Ferrari any good to look like a Jag. OTOH, stacked pipes are unique to the current California.

    Observers behind the car would notice multiple tail pipes regardless of orientation. However, when I look at the rear photo of the blue car I see too many little "things" hanging below the tail, like Christmas lights - too busy. This is what I mean:
    Cali rears.jpg
     
  32. freshmeat

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    in-house design did a pretty job on this one!

    But for whatever reason, I akin this more to a facelift vs a brand new design? Like how Audi decided to introduce the V10 engine & MMI interface for the R8.
     
  33. Bas Jaski

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    Big improvement on the hideously bloated first Cali. Not bad indeed.
     
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    I like it. But then I liked the "old" one, too.
     
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    Yes, it is and it's done for a number of reasons, one of which is to preserve the value of the older carÂ… the resale market; which was a stated intention by LdM.

    Car designs are complex, designers have many options but they must focus on the strategic intent of the new car. IMO, you can always dial in the correct amount of excitement but then you can also take back a few, so that they are not overused or so that the older car retains a unique quality.

    Ferrari seems to have done an excellent job
     
  36. jgriff

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    This is much less of a change then I had anticipated. It looks like a facelift, not a new model. I like the changes but when I first saw the photos I thought I was reading about the California 30. At least they got rid of the stacked tailpipes.

    I'm not happy about the turbo either. I'd rather have less power.
     
  37. 4th_gear

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    Curious. What don't you like about the stacked pipes?
     
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    Looks great. I'm glad they fixed the stupid exhaust. Also, that rear diffuser fixes the bloated rear lines of the predecessor.
     
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    Easy to say if you're not actually shopping for one. IMO, the stacked pipes look great and for actual design reasons.
     
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    Same V8 motor that it used in the Maserati Quattroporte.
     
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    I Honestly, I was expecting a bigger change. It took me a couple glances to even notice any difference from the A-pillar back between the Cali T and the old Cali.

    That said, I do think the front end looks a lot more aggressive, which is a nice change. And I think that new turbocharged engine will make all the difference with the Cali's target buyers. A 50 percent increase in torque is the kind of change anyone will notice—even those California buyers who bought a Ferrari for style, not driving please. Hell, it'll be noticed especially among them.
     
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    This is clearly a facelift and freshening of the current California. The biggest improvements seem to be making the rear look not so big as the current car. The stacked exhausts and the body color reaching so low at the back seems to add to the illusion of heft. The Cali T has managed to eliminate these cues and the effect is positive.

    Now if that new turbo engine can get it hustling along significantly faster than the old Cali then we will all be happy won't we?
     
  44. Bas Jaski

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    Looked at it a bit more and decided the following: Doesn't look very nice in the red on pictures.

    The TDF though, stunning. Would prefer an F12, of course...but this one is very pretty indeed.

    TDF with Beige, grigio titanio and bordeaux, black and red leather, Bianco with nero alcantara...will all look stunning on this.

    I want...

    :eek:
     
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    It looks like a facelift to most other manufacturers. An improved look, yes, but not a new car. Improved all around. I particularly like the new face and hood. I am really disappointed by the interior and lack of evolution.
     
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    looks great! hopefully it will sound great,wonder if use sound tricks too,like sound tubes in the FF
     
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    Is there more backseat room? That's the only thing that kept me from buying the prior one as I want to toss the kiddies in the back and it was tight tight tight and my kids are young!
     
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    So, is it worth trading in the 458 for the new California? (I know, different characters, but I'm getting older and maybe a GT torque monster may not be so bad).
     
  49. raclaims

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    I couldn't imagine trading my 458 for a Gal-ifornia! But to each his own!
     
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    Agree. I was expecting the front to look more like the F12 but they did the sides instead.

    No Pininfarina on the car that I can see. In house design? Note the black roofs. Guessing this may be standard??

    If I were in the market for a GT car to take on trips with enough luggage this would be great provided:
    the front engined layout does not make the car understeer (4 wheel steering and e-diff?)
    turbo lag
    engine and exhaust sound.

    That torque is just amazing. Interior with 3 screens looks functional and eye appealing.

    Looks like Ferrari has another winner. they should sell a ton of these.
     
  51. wbaeumer

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    ...when it came out some years ago. Its front section looked terrible IMO.
    Now they made it right!
     
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    Still ugly as hell
     

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